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Is this "rule" followed in the UK.

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Onetwistedsista · 13/08/2019 12:21

So I've worked in the USA and this rule about food not being refrigerated within over 2 hours drives me nuts! Do people in the UK do that? For example, bake cottage pie, leave to cool, then forget about it ( by mistake) but toss it out for possible baceria. Here in South Africa they'd just laugh at me. I've not followed it till now simply because of my DS but its stressful. So cook a pot of food, but takes forever to cool then dip it in a cold sink of ice so it cools faster! What a schlep! Has anyone here actually really gotten 'sick 'by eaten something that hasn't been refrigerated within 2 hours?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 13/08/2019 16:29

Hellokitty
It’s fine to put hot food (not piping hot) in the fridge. I never used to but modern fridges are fine and can cope. This or using ice packs on food is the only way to adhere to the two hour rule.

Imo it’s ok to go out for the day and take food to eat at lunch, but not to then bring the food home to refrigerate. I also wouldn’t eat it if left out all day.

Someone I stayed with laughed at my food hygiene. She touched raw chicken then light rinsed her finger tips in water, no soap 🤢. I have always been stringent with food and having had food poising from eating mini shrimp from a restaurant whilst on holiday, I’m glad I am. It was awful.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/08/2019 16:31

I grew up in LA County. They have some of the strictest food safety regulations in the State. They still post 'grades' outside of restaurants showing how well the facility passed their Dept of Public Health inspection.

Food safety is regulated county by county as long as it falls within State guidelines. And yes, each State has its own food safety laws.

And I never heard of a 'two hour rule' as far as home cooking goes. We cool the food down to about room temp then put in the fridge or freezer. For get-togethers, we refrigerate as soon as everyone's done eating.

Charm23 · 13/08/2019 16:31

I never used to worry if something accidentally got left out a little too long, but since getting pregnant I don't risk it. I have a food net/umbrella that I always put things under whilst it's cooling because I hate the thought of flies on my food, especially bad in summer!

AcrossthePond55 · 13/08/2019 16:32

Food safety is regulated county by county as long as it falls within State guidelines.

To clarify, a county can have stricter regulations than the state, but not lesser regulations.

Onesailwait · 13/08/2019 16:43

I made lasagne for dinner last night, it sat out on the counter overnight. I ate a bowl of it for breakfast. I aslo have been known to chilli or soup or stew in the stove overnight & dip into it the next day. Still going strong🤞💪

LoafofSellotape · 13/08/2019 16:44

I've left things over night too and as long as it's reheated correctly the next day it's fine

It's not about how it's re heated,some food bacteria isn't killed off by re heating.

Why on earth would you leave meat out for 2 days ?Confused

BritInUS1 · 13/08/2019 16:45

I think it's completely different if you are serving the public compared to at home

LoafofSellotape · 13/08/2019 16:47

They still post 'grades' outside of restaurants showing how well the facility passed their Dept of Public Health inspection

The same as the UK then,with the 5 star system ?

mindproject · 13/08/2019 16:57

I usually just put warm food in the fridge. I'd also eat food left out for a day or overnight, I've never had food poisoning.

Fraggling · 13/08/2019 17:04

I like the scores on the doors food hygiene thing.

Not got a stat to hand but if be willing to bet that more people get food poisoning from food prepared away from home (not ready meals, I mean restaurants, takeaways).

Dontfuckingsaycheese · 13/08/2019 17:19

Recently camping (during recent heatwave) I broke many rules. Took a (intensely researched) passive coolbox which struggled. Filled it with frozen stuff (including all the crap left in our freezer ancient sausages etc) homemade chilli and stuff. Some chilli stayed frozen. Cooked till piping hot. Unfrozen next eve. Lovely the next eve. Forgotten sausages on the 4th day etc etc. All was lovely and no shits involved. And then there's the BBQ. When is a raw item classes as a cooked item re utensils etc!! All scrummy (why DOES food eaten outside taste so good?)

So many practices which go against my stricter rules I have at home ie thoroughly defrost (in fridge) before eating. But we were totally fine Smile

Thing is I am poor. And hate waste!! So at home I often eat meat a little past use by date. Yogurts and eggs. Up to maybe a month. All fine. I did draw the line at a June-dated yogurt last night however! That was binned. I remember someone on here laughing at me as I was pondering what to do with some frozen steak. It had a date but no year. Had no idea how old it was!! Considered giving it to the dog. In the end we had it. And it was lovely!!

But. If I were running a business I would really stuck to more stringent rules!!

MerdedeBrexit · 13/08/2019 17:30

What is the problem with rice? I see many mentions here of not leaving it out overnight and refrigerating it quickly, but I have also come across a theory that you must not reheat left-over rice, so you either throw it away or eat it cold?
I live in a very hot climate and mostly put stuff that isn't going to be eaten immediately into a container and straight into the fridge or freezer, without really bothering to cool it down. That feels safer than leaving it out to cool, even covered. I don't like leaving things to cool down in the oven, it feels wrong, somehow, but I have no reason for this!

Coyoacan · 13/08/2019 18:26

Do people think people threw away so much food in the days when there weren't any fridges?

Industrial and restaurant food hygiene has to be extreme, but it is terribly wasteful to take it to such an extreme in the home.

ElizaPancakes · 13/08/2019 18:42

I regularly leave stews and bolognese and stuff like that on the stove overnight. Not during high summer, although I wouldn’t normally forget to put it away.

I’ve never ever had an issue with rice either despite regularly leaving the remnants of a takeaway on the table and eating cold in the morning! We quite regularly make too much rice, so fridge it and then use it for egg fried rice or whatever.

Fraggling · 13/08/2019 18:45

Well no coyo but in the cities everyone drank weak beer all the time as water couldn't be trusted, not sure if that's a bad thing or not tbh in these interesting days :D

Coyoacan · 13/08/2019 19:29

Fraggling

I was born in the 1950s and I remember when we got our first fridge. I never saw any of my family drinking beer, we drank water from the tap.

Benjispruce · 13/08/2019 19:40

merd read the link I posted upthread.

Lowlandlucky · 13/08/2019 19:43

I leave thins on the side to cool then shove in a container and put it in the fridge, it may take me hours to do it and in the 30 odd years of cooking i have never poisoned anyone

Fraggling · 13/08/2019 19:45

Coyo it was a joke mate.

Haha?

Apparently not :D

longwayoff · 13/08/2019 20:37

Cool overnight fine for UK. Regional differences in USA, temperature,
humidity would affect food. If I lived in one of those hot states, Texas?, or humid Florida, I'd have it in the fridge within a couple of hours.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/08/2019 22:18

@LoafofSellotape

Similar, but a letter grade: A, B, or C.

ohdrearydrearyme · 13/08/2019 22:35

All these people saying that they did this or that and were fine...

A few counter-examples:

My dad is from Australia and born in the 1930s. His family had no refrigeration, though "British style" cooking was the norm at the time. That refers to not just what was cooked, but the fact that dishes were often cooked one day and the remainders eaten later.

He had a younger sister who died from food poisoning when she was 4.

My mother was also born in Australia in the 1930s. She's told me how they used to bring lunch boxes to school with cooked food in, and lay the boxes above the heater in the classroom to stay warm until lunchtime. She also told me that "upset tummies" were far more common then than now, and is convinced that poor food hygiene was the cause.

I've twice had major food poisoning due to poor handling of food . Once in China, once at a relative's home in India. Because of the two cases, which were both within the same year, I ended up ten kilos underweight. It took me about three years to get back up to my normal weight. Given that I have other health issues, I'm glad that I got off so lightly.

On top of that, my husband had to take immunosuppressants for a long time. We visited relatives in America who, unbeknownst to him, happily left food out at room temperature, then kept serving it to us all. This resulted in a week long stay in hospital for him.

Fraggling · 13/08/2019 22:37

So that reinforces that the local conditions are something that should be taken into account when storing food.

Seems like good advice.

LoafofSellotape · 14/08/2019 07:36

Do people think people threw away so much food in the days when there weren't any fridges?

Food wasn't just left out on the side, people had cool larders.

I’ve never ever had an issue with rice either despite regularly leaving the remnants of a takeaway on the table and eating cold in the morning! We quite regularly make too much rice, so fridge it and then use it for egg fried rice or whatever

And you could well go through life never having an issue but if you do get ill from rice, the one time you do, it can be extremely serious.

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