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Reasoning behind airport security rules

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which1 · 05/08/2019 21:54

Just wondering, why is it 100ml max for carry on liquids?

Is it because it is deemed that nothing in that small a quantity could do damage, as opposed to say standard 250ml shower gel bottles?

Also why the specific rules about the size of the see through bag you put it in? Understand why it has to be see-through but why does it matter about whether you use a medium or large freezer bag if the amount you can put in it is the same anyway? And if it's considered safe as long as an item is capped at 100ml, why do they limit how many bottles your are allowed to take in total?

And why does a tablet have to come out of your bag and go in the tray separately but your phone doesn't?

Just generally curious surrounding the rules and reasoning behind the liquids rules.

And before anyone says anything, yes I do do the whole bag thing properly by the rules, and do not fuss about it at the airport etc etc etc but just wondering why those particular rules were chosen.

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Aragog · 06/08/2019 08:23

I just wish it was consistent. I've no issue with any of it but do get somewhat Hmm when the people there are getting shouty or cross with passengers for not knowing what to take out or take off. No one ever knows because the rules change between every airport.

I just want to know well in advance, as these are all things which seem to change between airports and even terminals:

What constitutes as liquid?
How many tubes/tubes allowed?
Does my Kindle need to come out?
Does my iPad?
Belt yes or no?
Cardigan and hoodies on or off?
Shoes?
My camera - my biggest pain as some leave it in the bag and others want every individual lens etc out?
Watch?

Just make a decision!

Aragog · 06/08/2019 08:23

I just wish it was consistent. I've no issue with any of it but do get somewhat Hmm when the people there are getting shouty or cross with passengers for not knowing what to take out or take off. No one ever knows because the rules change between every airport.

I just want to know well in advance, as these are all things which seem to change between airports and even terminals:

What constitutes as liquid?
How many tubes/tubes allowed?
Does my Kindle need to come out?
Does my iPad?
Belt yes or no?
Cardigan and hoodies on or off?
Shoes?
My camera - my biggest pain as some leave it in the bag and others want every individual lens etc out?
Watch?

Just make a decision!

Aragog · 06/08/2019 08:23

Argh, sorry!

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Likethebattle · 06/08/2019 08:24

Was flying bank and forth weekly for work. My tray got pulled at week 6 because the bowser make up bag I was using was not airtight. Why does that matter? I said I had been using it for 6 weeks to be told ‘you can’t have!’ Erm ok i’m lying. Both Glashow and Stansted missed a small bottle of eyedrops too that was in my bag. I get drug swabbed quite often, I must look dodgy. I also got extra security checks while boarding a flight to the US. I had to have my hand luggage checked and a full pat down and drug swab at the gate.

adaline · 06/08/2019 08:29

Security have to mix it up,

Why? Why not just be equally strict regardless? It makes no sense to relax the rules - if there's a danger then there's a danger, surely?

LittleCandle · 06/08/2019 08:43

I was horrified at Stansted last year when I saw them make a young guy on crutches, with a cast on his lower leg, hop through the scanner while they scanned his crutches. Usually, the crutches get scanned, then returned to the person so they can go through the scanner themselves. I suspect it was the same woman who declared that my plastic bag was too big and insisted that I use a small one, when my colleague's plastic bag was twice the size of mine and it was deemed fine.

NigellasGuest · 06/08/2019 08:44

Recently got through security with 2 big bottles of water in hand luggage- forgot they were there, and noticed them when seated on the plane.My DD said she had noticed they weren't bothering to even glance at the x-ray screen as the hand luggage went through the scanner thingy. This was Marrakech.

Sussexbonfireviking · 06/08/2019 08:49

(you never have to show an ESTA. It's linked to your passport number so will show up on their screen at checkin whether you were approved or not. You don't even need to print it off.*

Actually we were slowed down in New York immigration because they could not find my sons ESTA. We always print it and put with our passports now

ImpracticalCape · 06/08/2019 08:52

It's a mix of security theatre (rules tend to imply that they know what they are doing when really they don't but which puts off potential aggressors and makes the general public feel safe) and reactive approaches to known risks.
-shoes taken off and scanned as a result of the shoe bomber

  • larger electronics out of covers and bags after they uncovered the laptop/iPad bomb plot so they can scan properly
  • liquids after they uncovered the plot to mix liquids into an explosive so they can scan properly.

None of these are really effective for someone determined but I suppose they believe it discourages it.

Easiest way is to go with it and anticipate and plan for the worst. As a frequent flyer I plan for the most stringent checks and go through the routine whether I'm asked to or not. My passage through airports is fairly painless because I plan ahead:

Pack the absolute minimum toiletries and make up. Buy shampoo, shower gel, suncream when at destination. Bring miniature perfumes, face creams etc or samples rather than big bottles. Put liquids in a separate similar sized bag at home and decant into their regulation one when there.Err on the side of caution. Assume mascara, solid foundation and eyeliner could be counted and bag it. Powders should be fine but if I have enough space in there I treat the plastic bag as my make up bag for the duration and shove everything in. Have it ready in your hand before entering security.

Once at scanning area. Toiletries bag into bin. Take out all electronics or things that look weird on a X-ray and place in their own bin so they aren't overlapping Even if you have 8 bins. Laptop, kindle, iPad, GHd's, chargers. Remove cases beforehand at home and re case later.

Clothing: avoid anything with metal bits. Don't bother wearing jewellery on your way to the airport and stash it in a zipped pocket in your bag. Safer anyway then it flying about in bins. Check your pockets before you enter security and put it all in your bag. Remove all coats, jackets, scarves, belts at the belt

Shoes. Assume they need to come off and do it at the scanning area, so wear easy slip on shoes. I even take off flip flops now. It's just easier.

Plan plan plan. Use a bag that has compartments. Put all things that need to come out into one compartment to grab them quickly. Then all you need to do is remove jackets and shoes and you are done.

If you want to really be a ninja then ensure your bins come down in the order of: things that need to go back in your compartment bag first. Collect them up, then the bag appears. Pack it all immediately and quickly and take your bin with your clothes to the side. Re dress. Pick up bag and you are done.

I also see after see people flapping about with their passport and boarding pass at security. You don't need it at the scanning area. It will have been done before security so stash it in your bag in a safe accessible place so you aren't flapping when you get asked for it at Duty Free or at the gate.

ImpracticalCape · 06/08/2019 08:53

It's a mix of security theatre (rules tend to imply that they know what they are doing when really they don't but which puts off potential aggressors and makes the general public feel safe) and reactive approaches to known risks.
-shoes taken off and scanned as a result of the shoe bomber

  • larger electronics out of covers and bags after they uncovered the laptop/iPad bomb plot so they can scan properly
  • liquids after they uncovered the plot to mix liquids into an explosive so they can scan properly.

None of these are really effective for someone determined but I suppose they believe it discourages it.

Easiest way is to go with it and anticipate and plan for the worst. As a frequent flyer I plan for the most stringent checks and go through the routine whether I'm asked to or not. My passage through airports is fairly painless because I plan ahead:

Pack the absolute minimum toiletries and make up. Buy shampoo, shower gel, suncream when at destination. Bring miniature perfumes, face creams etc or samples rather than big bottles. Put liquids in a separate similar sized bag at home and decant into their regulation one when there.Err on the side of caution. Assume mascara, solid foundation and eyeliner could be counted and bag it. Powders should be fine but if I have enough space in there I treat the plastic bag as my make up bag for the duration and shove everything in. Have it ready in your hand before entering security.

Once at scanning area. Toiletries bag into bin. Take out all electronics or things that look weird on a X-ray and place in their own bin so they aren't overlapping Even if you have 8 bins. Laptop, kindle, iPad, GHd's, chargers. Remove cases beforehand at home and re case later.

Clothing: avoid anything with metal bits. Don't bother wearing jewellery on your way to the airport and stash it in a zipped pocket in your bag. Safer anyway then it flying about in bins. Check your pockets before you enter security and put it all in your bag. Remove all coats, jackets, scarves, belts at the belt

Shoes. Assume they need to come off and do it at the scanning area, so wear easy slip on shoes. I even take off flip flops now. It's just easier.

Plan plan plan. Use a bag that has compartments. Put all things that need to come out into one compartment to grab them quickly. Then all you need to do is remove jackets and shoes and you are done.

If you want to really be a ninja then ensure your bins come down in the order of: things that need to go back in your compartment bag first. Collect them up, then the bag appears. Pack it all immediately and quickly and take your bin with your clothes to the side. Re dress. Pick up bag and you are done.

I also see after see people flapping about with their passport and boarding pass at security. You don't need it at the scanning area. It will have been done before security so stash it in your bag in a safe accessible place so you aren't flapping when you get asked for it at Duty Free or at the gate.

probstimeforanewname · 06/08/2019 08:54

I was talking about this the other day. The liquid bomber thing was in 2006. How is it, 13 years later, that they apparently still can't scan liquids in hand luggage but if they are in a clear plastic bag of a specific size they magically can? Yet they can do it in hold luggage, in or out of a plastic bag?

The last time I flew I had some multivitamin tablets in a plastic tube in my rucksack. The system flagged up my bag and I had to wait for ages for them to hand search it (good job we'd arrived at the airport super-early as we hadn't been allowed to check in online). They claimed it looked like a bottle of liquids.

probstimeforanewname · 06/08/2019 08:55

The other thing that worries me is that when it is busy, they are asking you go through the arch before your bag has gone through the scanner, I worry it will be stolen. I think it has happened to people.

ImpracticalCape · 06/08/2019 09:02

@Aragog I suggest you assume the answers your questions are yes and plan accordingly.

What constitutes as liquid?** Assume everything other than an obvious powder is a liquid even an eye pencil.
How many tubes/tubes allowed? If it fits in the bag and is under 100mls as many as you can fit in with the bag closed
Does my Kindle need to come out? Just take it out
Does my iPad? Just take it out
Belt yes or no? Yes always. Just take it off.
Cardigan and hoodies on or off? Just take it off
Shoes? Just take them off
My camera - my biggest pain as some leave it in the bag and others want every individual lens etc out? Just take them out
Watch? Take it off or stash in bag

It's easier then second guessing!

mrsjackrussell · 06/08/2019 09:02

I'm disabled and guaranteed every time I go through security at any airport my walking aid gets swabbed for drugs.
I don't see them swabbing all of the pushchairs.
I wonder why it's always me.

ShanghaiDiva · 06/08/2019 09:14

I also see after see people flapping about with their passport and boarding pass at security. You don't need it at the scanning area.

Actually that is not true for all airports - I live in China and both boarding card and passport will be checked after immigration and then again before you go though the scanner.

ImpracticalCape · 06/08/2019 09:38

@ShanghaiDiva sure but once you are at the scanner belt you can stash it. I always see people hovering in front of the walk through scanner holding their boarding pass and passport and they get sent back to the bins. The metal in the passport bio thingy is gonna set that thing off!!

MadisonAvenue · 06/08/2019 09:54

We flew out of Birmingham a few months ago. I removed my iPad from my bag but asked the security person about my Kindle and was told it was okay to leave in. Of course, my bag got pulled aside and checked - because my Kindle was inside.

SerendipityJane · 06/08/2019 10:08

Rules are there so you know who is boss. Anything else is a bonus Grin

Some of them occasionally make sense. Some used to make sense, but it was too much hard work to change them (because ... well, they're rules). And some sounded like a good idea when the management spend ££££££s on "consultants" to advise them and they had to justify the fee.

The prato principle is pretty universal. 80% of anything is bollocks.

amusedbush · 06/08/2019 10:11

I agree about the lack of consistency. Last time I flew from Glasgow to Heathrow my plastic bag was fine but coming back I was stopped and made to put everything into a smaller one.

At Heathrow I was shouted at for not putting my large hand luggage into a plastic tray but then coming home from JFK I was told to take the bag out of the tray and just put it on the conveyor belt. Argh!

Nesssie · 06/08/2019 11:06

I would much rather they pulled 100 innocent people aside to check their bag, or swab their hands than miss one terrorist.
I would much rather inconvenience 1000s of people than risk someone bringing a harmful substance on board.

Take off your jumper and belt, take electronic devices out of the bag, empty your pockets, put all 100ml liquids in a bag - place in tray. Security will tell you if they want anything else.
Its takes a few minutes to get through security.

Nesssie · 06/08/2019 11:11

Rules are there so you know who is boss. The rules are there to try and minimise the chance that 4 planes will be hijacked and flown into various buildings. The rules are there to try to stop 2977 people being killed in 3 hours.

Aridane · 06/08/2019 11:12

I would much rather they pulled 100 innocent people aside to check their bag, or swab their hands than miss one terrorist

Me too.

But I would rather they didn’t pull aside 1 million people to catch zero terrorists

Nesssie · 06/08/2019 11:15

How do you know that the checks haven't foiled terrorist attacks?
I would rather they pulled 100 million people aside on the off chance it puts off potential terrorists from even trying to attempt to board.

Its really not a big deal going through security, its barely an inconvenience.

Aridane · 06/08/2019 11:24

Perhaps because in other contexts it’s shouted from the rooftops when security foils terrorism?

Aridane · 06/08/2019 11:25

Plus why not have similar security for other crowded / confined forms of transport at other crowded places?

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