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Waking Up Weekend / ISA - anyone done it?

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earlydoors42 · 04/08/2019 17:08

Just curious if anyone has done, or knows anyone who has done, the "Waking Up Weekend"?

The group used to be called the Institute for Self Actualization (ISA).

A friend is involved with them but they won't say what goes on at the weekend. I have read a lot of reviews on websites about cults and it doesn't sound good at all. But none of the reviews are from the last couple of years.

Anyone know anything about it?

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EllioFlynt · 06/01/2024 12:32

Hi

I was involved in ISA since 1995 but I didn't attend the YPE in Devon but I know a few people who did

Ole passed away on News Year Eve and sadly ISA (or The Waking up Weekend as it got branded because of the allegations of it being a cult!!) closed down with it's last seminar it ran in November in Bradford.

What would you like to know

Best wishes

EllioFlynt · 06/01/2024 12:33

Hi

I was involved in ISA since 1995 but I didn't attend the YPE in Devon but I know a few people who did

Ole passed away on News Year Eve and sadly ISA (or The Waking up Weekend as it got branded because of the allegations of it being a cult!!) closed down with it's last seminar it ran in November in Bradford.

What would you like to know

Best wishes

EllioFlynt · 06/01/2024 20:20

only just seeing this... Yes, involved a lot over the years

ChicagoSuz · 07/01/2024 03:13

Ole passed away on New Year's Eve. 😢

ChironAramythia · 08/01/2024 02:20

Thank you both for your responses. So I was 12 when I was sent to ‘YPE’ in Devon. I was made to wash Oli’s car, along with some others. We played Blue eyes Brown eyes, were forced to sleep in the woods, kids were crying. We had to jump off terrifying heights, run to the trumpet call at 6am and perform some sort of morning dance to the sound of the trumpets.
We had to confess our deepest secrets, in the absence of parents. I saw more pain and discomfort in this short time than I’ve ever seen working in care. I was one of the older kids, we slept in bunks, with military guys from the USA. I’m not going to get graphic on here. But my feelings are incredibly negative, it was the UK version of conversion camps for kids.
ive nothing bad to say about the adult experience - it helped my mum allot. But as kids? 9-13, it was not OK. It’s taken me years of therapy to get over the forced nature of it. The abuse, the yelling, the kids peeing their pants while some military guy tells him if he doesn’t jump, then the whole group doesn’t eat.
It was horrendous abuse for the children that were there. Abandoned by their loved ones and just taught to shut up - even if you cried you were called a wet blanket or a pussy. The rest of them can do it - why can’t you?
I remember so much crying at night. I was on a top bunk, in a room with maybe 12 other kids, and there was sobbing.
This - was - abuse. There is no other way to describe it. Some were weak, very weak, some were strong and boisterous but ultimately, as a kid, for me at 12, going through puberty and trying to understand the word, it completely distorted the way I see the life. It was a narcissistic, deity, terrifying projection of bow down and obey.
I so wish I had contact from this experience. I remember the poor little kid in the bunk next to me, just crying so much and wanting to go home. These guys weren’t counsellors. They had no qualifications, most had military back grounds, and had no idea what a child needs at that age. If you misbehaved or shouted out, you had to clean the toilets in the morning before the trumpet call. Or wash Olie’s car.
We all got sent home with the book ‘Education of the little Tree’ - signed by Oli. which if you google. Is a neo Nazi inspired tale. Surely there must have been a better choice of literature.
I am not against fulfilment as an adult, I’m a counsellor, but it had taken me until my 40th year to say THAT WASNT OK. No child deserves the humiliation, the breakdown of their personality, and the degrading that went on at this so called camp. It broke me. And I’m very sure it broke a whole lot of other kids that were my age and on the camp.
It was abuse. Not cult. Just abuse.

ChicagoSuz · 08/01/2024 05:39

They weren't real military. They were playacting. My daughter did it when she was your age and loved it. Maybe it was different in the UK. 🤔

EllioFlynt · 08/01/2024 10:53

Shame it has ended. The way you describe it, makes me think it would have been the perfect thing for my 10 year old son!

Yorkanddun · 14/03/2024 07:15

I did isa experience with eric and olie as a support role. The experience was goog and I continued my personal development. Some years laterI went back a returner and introduced a friend. Wasn't what it was , not led well. I had arealuzation and butted out of any further 2communicatoon. After oldienot whT it was intended to be o. Feel

ChicagoSuz · 14/03/2024 12:18

Ole passed away a few months ago. 😢

Yoshka · 22/09/2024 13:30

ISA was a cult plain and simple. I am mentioning it because things like it still exist.
I was involved or 5 years and absolutely it was a cult. The people running it knew what they were doing. Ole Larson was a sexual predator and classic cult leader.
Anyone talking positively about this cult experience is fully brainwashed. They have a saying "You cannot do what you don't know while you keep doing what you do know". which is remarkable in as much as they do the same things safely over and over again for YEARS. never growing never being fully part of the real world.
I am ashamed of the people I hooked into this cult and those I know are still sucked into it.

Yoshka · 22/09/2024 13:33

I appreciate the update, if true, I am fully released. This man traumatised too many people out of base greed for power and money..

Yoshka · 22/09/2024 13:36

Do not send your children into harm... the predators in these cults are horrendous. It is an unnatural parent that does not fully check out a cult before inflicting that level of potential danger on their children.

Vagz · 13/12/2024 14:06

Hi in response to your question about the isa experience, it can make you feel great .. however my brother became deeply involved for over 20 yrs and although he maintains a sort of telly tubby type facade he has become a deeply deceptive controlling and inhumane person , it seems he is devoted to lowering people’s self esteem, no longer recognisable as the man he used to be it’s as if he was trained to be a narcissistic sociopath.. he has done a lot of damage to our family and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone… you’re not permitted to criticise in the isa cult and so called buddies will appear to support you whilst enforcing the concept that you are not acceptable or good enough as you are .. proceed with caution

Vagz · 13/12/2024 14:25

My brother became deeply involved for over 20 yrs behind his very friendly yet patronising facade he has become an extremely controlling bully and quite inhumane it’s almost as if he had been trained to be a narcissistic sociopath.. he has done severe damage to myself and family and seems devoted to lowering people’s self esteem or as one neighbour put it , perfected condescension into a fine art … the initial experience will make you feel good .. proceed with caution you will never be good enough for these people criticising is considered negative and a team of buddies will push you constantly to improve.

rockgodmum · 11/01/2026 11:46

To those questioning ISA/Institute of Self Actualisation/Waking Up Weekend (or indeed any so called self improvement organisation) I suggest you look to the founder and be sure that their motivations are pure and they are someone you respect. To me, Ole Larson, he is far from this person.

The broken look to ISA as a family and to Ole as a father figure. Misguidedly, having taken part in several ISA weekends, I ended up dating one of these devotees. He had lofty ambitions, deployed in a very ISA like singleminded fashion, to navigate his way up to be one of the founder’s right hand men and hence spent an inordinate amount of time trying to gain his approval - refurbishing his vast West London house in preparation for a visit which might or might not happen, getting me to cook meals for this same imaginary event which would then inevitably be deemed as not good enough … Then finally came the day when, if the relationship was to continue, I needed to be presented to the man himself and to do so we were to fly out to his large farm in the France. On reflection, although I was meant to regard this as a generous gesture, it would in fact have been a calculated move to ensure Ole retained control and we were kept dependent. As my boyfriend was clearly being put through some ongoing test of commitment we weren’t to receive the honour of staying with Ole himself and instead checked into a small hotel nearby. Our first audience is one I will always readily recall. We entered the farmhouse kitchen where his entourage of women were busily preparing food. Ole then appeared, greeted my boyfriend and, upon being introduced to me - done so by my boyfriend in a rather detached way that made it clear no commitment had been, or be made to our relationship without Ole’s blessing - he, in an intentionally intimidating manner, held my gaze and said ‘why do you smile in that way - the way you should smile is with your eyes’. Right from the off he was already playing power games, making sure I knew who was in control here and that I needed to do a lot more. Another thing I remember from that night is Ole acknowledging a birthday gift my boyfriend had given him by telling him that he felt he could have extended himself further. I was shocked by this lack of gratitude, but my boyfriend told me that he was right and that he should have spent more. We stayed another day and night of which I remember little other than being kept in the background whilst my boyfriend strived, rather pathetically, to achieve approval (at one point disturbingly being required to wring a chicken’s neck!) and then on our last day we were invited to join the man and his devotees for Sunday (God’s day of rest!) lunch in a nearby restaurant. On being seated at the long ‘Last Supper’ like table, I was separated and isolated from my boyfriend and positioned close to Ole. I was so pleased that our time there was coming to an end and that soon we’d be in our way home and out of the grip of this self serving person. Then, not long into the meal, Ole suddenly cut through the animated chatter by loudly enquiring of my boyfriend seated across the table ‘so is this relationship to continue?’ The question bought silence to the room. It was shocking but its response was more so as right there and then, in front of an audience, I was to learn that apparently it wasn’t! Satisfied, Ole returned to his food and I will never forget how disempowered I felt in that moment. There I was, having been publicly humiliated, stuck in the middle of nowhere with no means of escape and left with no choice but to sit through the rest of the meal with a load of pitying strangers. The only other thing I recall, rather bizarrely, is Ole chastising me for declining an entree telling me that it was it was paid for and that I could have offered it to someone else. The journey home had a very surreal quality - sitting side by side on the plane suddenly no longer in a relationship and it was clear it was not open to further discussion - the decision had been made - just not by us! (Apparently the reason was that I wasn't an ISA assistant so not sufficiently committed which no doubt meant that I was not sufficiently mailable!) On reflection it was never going to work and I had had a lucky escape. Ole was idolised, revered by his followers as someone to impress but all I saw was a bitter, heartless, cruel and rather sad old man who was on a mission to elevate himself by exploiting the vulnerable.

That was over 20 years ago. In that time I have become a qualified psychotherapist running my own private practice, enjoyed (and continue to enjoy!) a happy marriage and have raised an exceptional son who never fails to amaze me! It’s hard to believe I put myself through all that but then again it’s all part of life’s rich tapestry and definitely all learning!

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