Are these really suitable for newborns?

[oddsocks123]

Photos have hopefully attached, but are strollers from birth with no carrycot or cocoon really going to be suitable for a newborn? I want one pram from birth to done, so many prams have tiny seats so looking at these.
Thank you.

@oddsocks123 you can buy newborn inserts that make it a bit more comfy such as these www.amazon.co.uk/Summer-Infant-2-in-1-Snuzzler-Piddlepad/dp/B00LB1D0TU/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_75_img_0/258-6574896-7306365?psc=1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=P3CBAM0AFZHYKH3X6E60

www.amazon.co.uk/Diono-Comforting-All-Body-Support-Low-Weight/dp/B007DETPRK/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_75_img_1?psc=1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&refRID=MNK3PTWV9NZGK78P81MZ

Baby jogger vue which is reversible with the soft carrycot sounds like it would fit what you’re looking for.

I'm on my third baby now and we've tried lots of different types.
We currently have a baby jogger versa and it's the best I've ever had. It is from 6 months but you can get a carrycot for it.
It folds small, has a huge basket and the seat unit can face both ways. Baby is 15m and i still don't like him facing forward haha.
I got mine secondhand on ebay for £50!

With my second, we used an obaby stroller on occasion but mainly a sling (17m between first and second). I didn't like her being in it but it wasn't for long and it wasn't often.

I'd pay for a second hand one then get an umbrella one and sell on the system

But that's what I'm saying, Maria - not necessarily - I don't know that "suitable from newborn" is a protected phrase/name, unlike (say) a child car seat - you can't sell a product in the UK as a car seat unless it's passed one of two safety regulations to be approved as a car seat.

There is a standard for prams and pushchairs. The most up to date one is BS EN 1888-1:2018 - I am not willing to pay for it to find out exactly what it says, but this will cover things like the weight limit, the stability of the safety harness, the folding mechanism not collapsing in mid use on top of the child, absence of gaps a child can trap their fingers in and so on.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that there is anything in that standard which specifies the type of seating a newborn is allowed to be carried in.

There was definitely a gap, wasn't there? About 15-20 years ago sounds about right. When I was a baby in the 80s/early 90s carrycots and frames with rather big wheels were the norm, moving to a pushchair/buggy when older, then the travel system was invented in the 00s (Maxi Cosi was the first I think) everyone seemed to use that and then the alarm about their spines started - but I don't think that actually babies' spines are especially in danger from car seats. They should not be used for long periods due to poor oxygen saturation levels, though.

I found having a very young baby world facing quite stressful because I was constantly darting round the front to look in and check on them! My DS1 likes to talk to me as we go along so I quite often have him parent facing now at 3 (although he walks most of the time now).

I know a lot of people say they found a travel system a waste and they moved to an umbrella stroller early on but I wasn't comfortable with DS in the stroller until he was well past 1. He just seemed more exposed somehow. We still only use it when we need the boot space.

All of these things are just my personal preference though! I'd say just think through all the variations and see what is likely to work best for you. You could always get something secondhand and change to a stroller later if you prefer.

It depends on how often the child will be in it. I had a similar pushchair - from birth for my DS but only used it on very odd occasions.

Second the Baby Jogger City Mini GT. Brilliant pushchair from birth up to secondary school almost!

Definitely not

No I bought one of these for my four month old ( we live up 4 flights of stairs & I bought it just to keep at the bottom of the stairs instead of hauling a carry cot up them everytime I went out), and it's not even really suitable for her. She's all over the place in it.

Babies having been scrunched up inside as someone described had cushioning via amniotic fluid, mothers muscles and fat. Once born they begin to spread but again look for support. A cushioned support to lie on with springs of some sort to absorb the bumps are needed. Lying on their back is our way of preventing problems with breathing, not necessarily how a baby would prefer to sleep! Are these appropriate for new borns, imo, no.

I had a maclaren 4 season buggy. Never had pram. It did lay flat though. Couldn’t take a big pram on buses here!

By DS2, I had the proper pram in the boot of the car and the SC stroller that I used for local walks from home. DS2 was a strong hulk of a baby and was apparently happy/ comfortable in the stroller from 2 months. The seat reclined a good way, but not fully flat and was recommended from 3 months. He wasn't in for long, about 30 mins max and often alternating in and out of the sling depending on his/ DS1's needs at that time.

SC did a slightly more elaborate stroller that was suitable from birth. I bought mine when DS1 was 8m and we needed something more portable for a holiday.

The parent facing pram/ pushchair was used from the car until both had outgrown it completely and were confident walkers with stamina.

We had a Nipper Sport with a carrycot when DS was tiny. Tbh we probably used it less than 10 times as a sling was so much more convenient for pretty much everything. He was fine without the carrycot from about 4/5 months. We use the pushchair much more now he’s bigger although still throw him in the sling a lot too. If we did it again, I’d probably just buy the cocoon insert you can get rather than a whole carrycot that barely got used. Would you consider just using a sling until baby is a bit bigger?

Surely the two that the OP linked to aren’t firm enough for a newborn to lie on to sleep?
Suitable for, and recommended, are two different things. Technically my car is suitable for driving at 130mph, but I don’t do it because the windscreen would probably fall out.
We had the armadillo flip. Without the carrycot it could still be used from birth apparently but I wouldn’t have done - it was very open at the sides and not as firm a surface as the carrycot.
Saying that, he’s nearly 3 and it’s still going strong, even though we traded in the carrycot for vouchers long ago!

I had an out and about nipper double buggy that was a bit like that, it just lay completely flat. I didn't really use it for my youngest until he was a few weeks old and he was a big stocky thing anyway so OK in it.

Personally I never bothered with strollers. I mainly drive and never use public transport so never saw the need.

I also never bothered with the carry cot for our travel system. My eldest screamed the entire time he was in it and outgrew it by 8 weeks. With my youngest, he just slept in it downstairs in the house. And again was too big for it by 3 months. I definitely would never recommend paying extra for a carry cot.