If you want a no deal brexit-what does no deal mean to you?

[RoarkesMagicCoats]

Following on from another thread asking if you voted leave then do you want no deal? Plenty of posters do want no deal but I'm wondering what they understand no deal to actually mean for the UK? What does a no deal look like both immediately and a few months, then years down the line? How would it pan out? How would business, health, and education benefit (if you think they will)?

Please don't turn this into a Leavers vs remainers thread. I'm just interested in the questions I've asked regarding what no deal actually means for the Uk.

offer asylum to suitable UK folks
Who'd be considered ''suitable'' indy?

Ah, do you mean English people living there already?

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine NS has laid out Scotland's need for immigration, and that the government recognise the need to welcome immigrant workers and their families in order to make for a progressive society.

I don't know what "suitable" would look like, but I reckon anyone with a positive contribution to society would meet that. They would for me anyway, hence trying to persuade my many English friends to move north in the event of independence.

Lots of England voted remain too. London, Manchester, Bristol, Leeds to name a few. I see people are cherry picking rather than answering the OP though

I think leavers want the middle classes to suffer as much as working classes have under austerity. No deal will do that

Possibly. Even as a remainer it has occurred to me that no deal (or just leaving the EU full stop) will cause some insufferably smug overpaid and over privileged people to have a shock to the system. Politics of envy. Who'd have thought it would be a Tory government egging it on?

RoarkesMagicCoats never said they didn't.

You asked why people wanted No Deal and Aye and I said why.

Just because it doesn't suit your agenda doesn't make it a valid reason.

We want No Deal because it's going to be the reason Scotland votes for independence.

I notice you didn't answer my question. Why is it up to the Scots to sort this mess when we never voted for it, didn't want it in the first place and actually have been told, explicitly, that our place in the "union" is to do as were told.

*stop it being a valid reason.

@RageAgainstTheVendingMachine im an English person living in Scotland. When i first arrived here i was bullied and told to go back where i came from etc. Things have moved on a lot since then and i feel that the anti English sentiment has died out a lot. The "suitable" comment was just the devil in me coming out. We live in a very inclusive society here, as somebody who spends a lot of time in England visiting family I really can attest to the positive difference in scottish attitude. In my experience of modern Scotland (as opposed to what it was when i moved here 22 years ago) anybody who believes in supporting others, building a strong community and appreciating the land in which we live is welcomed as one of our own. I will never stop being English but I strongly identify with and appreciate the Scottish way of life and cannot imagine bringing my children up and growing old anywhere else

AyeToIndy I'm glad you feel that way, and I'm glad to hear that you feel attitudes have changed for the better.

I'm excited for the future for the first time in a very long time.

Interesting that the only people willing to actually answer the question are looking forward to the break up of the UK and acknowledging that it looks like it will be shit for nearly everyone in the UK.

What it means to me, op, is that I get to see if my general preps are any good (a plan's first contact with the enemy and all that) . I expect bumpiness in tbe shops which can mean empty shelves and/or price rises. I hope me "what if the power grid is fucked" plans aren't necessary but I have them anyway in case we get heavy snow.
And my DD's Irish citizenship should have come through so I can look to claiming her EU rights if she wants to study and work abroad. Which I did before 1992 and not just in the EU but it was harder to do back then. I had a family history of impoverished travel so I had support and family experience. She will too.
Fuck everyone else.

And no, I don't want it. At all.

Oakmaiden I think it will be rough for Scotland too, I'm not under any kind of illusion that this shitshow will result in anything other than hardship for years to come.

But I'm comforted by the possibility that an independent Scotland should be able to join the EU, and therefore have some kind of potential for the future and the security of being part of a large trading bloc and good relations with our neighbours.

I voted to remain, up until recently (with the open hostility towards and mocking of Scottish MPs and refusal to engage with the SG, and the MSM not even attempting to hide their contempt for Scotland and its place in the union) I would have said I'd forego independence if it meant the UK not leaving the EU.

Now? Fuck it, let's go.

I would genuinely like to know what people are thinking without the usual pile-on

Unfortunately you're not going to get that on MN with this particular subject. Those of us who have posted our views in full get a little tired of the repeated "nobody ever explains it" - and even more so of the insults and obscenities which are flung

Fortunately, MN isn't the only forum for discussing the EU ...

@InTheHeatofLisbon yes! MN os full of people constantly crying LTB when people discuss relationship issues but cant get behind a group of people wanting to leave a politically abusive relationship constantly reinforced by their sneering MSM best pals

At the Scottish referendum, the EU said there was no guarantee that Scotland would be able to join. Even if they can, it wouldn’t be immediate either.

. Why is it up to the Scots to sort this mess

I didn't say it was. I just wanted the poster to expand on their answer.

Always fascinates me that Scots ignore the 38% who voted to leave as all we hear is "Scotland didn't vote to leave" well 38% of Scotland did.

46.6% of England voted remain too but again because the majority voted leave then the English are all tarred with the same brush.

@RoarkesMagicCoats its the same with any vote, worst of all any FPTP election, unfortunately its the political world we live in

AyeToIndy exactly!

Satsuma1234 that was 5 years ago, before the Catalonia independence vote, when Spain unequivocally said they'd veto an independent Scotland joining.

They've changed their minds, and EU leaders have repeatedly said there wouldn't be a block to an independent Scotland joining. Funny how Brexit and Westminster's attitude to the EU vs the SG approach has changed attitudes. For a start, the UK was a member state of the EU last time. They aren't now. So things have changed, massively, and Scotland has been shown to be ignored by Westminster.

46.6% of England voted remain too but again because the majority voted leave then the English are all tarred with the same brush.

Not at all, neither I nor Aye have said so. However, the majority in Scotland have been ignored, belittled and patronised by Westminster. We have a way out.

If you want one I'd suggest finding one, but expecting Scotland to go down with a sinking ship when we've not been considered anything like an equal member of the union up until now smacks of the usual attitudes that are all too familiar.

Numbers and percentages of the winning vote were very, very much lorded over us in 2014 (you lost, get over it etc blah blah).

The vote thrown by lies from Westminster promising a no vote would guarantee continued membership of the EU.

Which there is a caveat for in the original legislation allowing the first Indy vote.

If you fuck people over for long enough, eventually they'll bite back.

I agree @intheheatoflisbon I voted no and remain and Scotland has been shat on from a vey great height. It’s hard now to see how things could be worse for us by leaving the union than remaining part of the U.K., although I am very much not a traditional Indy supporter and can’t stand the SNP.

It’s hard now to see how things could be worse for us by leaving the union than remaining part of the U.K., although I am very much not a traditional Indy supporter and can’t stand the SNP.

I genuinely believe it will be people who think as you do who will swing the vote. There's nothing stopping Scotland voting in a non SNP administration after Indy 2, the point would be that Scotland would be led by a Scottish government, voted for by people who live and work here.

I vote SNP, I'm a member, but I don't agree with all of their policies (trident and self ID being two big ones).

I think many previously moderate Scottish voters, not fans of the SNP, are being persuaded to independence because of the attitudes of Westminster, especially recently.

On a different note, I think the biggest lesson to be taken from this shitshow is that we really need more truely independent media. I genuinely believe that they have to big of a sway on public consciousness and opinion. This is so very dangerous when so much of the media is controlled by so few. The amount of misreporting and opinions put across as fact in the lead up to the brexit vote undoubtedly persuaded some very reasonable people to vote for something they wouldnt have otherwise. I also think there should be stronger rules and consequences put in place regarding how politicians put their opinions to the public. Unless a statement can be backed up with evidence then it is an opinion. There were no facts to consider in this vote, only opinions. In my opinion too much of the electorate belived that they were being presented with facts.

@LatteLove same here, i hwve a very strong distrust of anything with "nationalist" in the name, its a bit strong for me.

I would have voted remain (EU citizen) but my personal feeling, as well as that of lots of people I know....is that the waiting to know what's going to happen is more stress inducing than anything else!

I am worried about the economy but if things get really bad, I have the option of going somewhere else, which is more than lots of people have.

So no deal could mean Scottish independence which is a positive. Thank you to the posters who answered with that. No other answers though as to what no deal means in general terms.

That's still not from people who voted leave and want no deal incidentally.

Both Aye and I voted to remain, so didn't want to leave in the first place. I'm just looking for the best option given that we voted as a country to remain, but can't do that as part of the UK.