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Why can’t kids take nuts??

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Kungfupanda67 · 19/06/2019 09:53

Genuine question, just had a booking form for a school trip and had the usual reminder to not put anything containing nuts in lunch boxes because some children are allergic to them. I was just wondering why this is such a blanket rule when some children are also allergic to eggs, cheese, wheat etc? Anyone know?

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BettyUnderswoob · 19/06/2019 10:56

Also we have stopped evolution by protecting everyone with any "condition" and society is now unhealthier and more vulnerable. This is worrying

Could you explain what you mean by this, Sherlock? It could be construed that you think people with “conditions” should just be left to die. But that can’t be right, surely?

babysharkah · 19/06/2019 10:56

My kid's school has a blanket kiwi ban too, one of the kids has severe anaphylaxis to kiwi. Dairy and eggs are allowed though.

AhhhHereItGoes · 19/06/2019 10:57

Like PPs have said but allergies can be severe even just inhaling/touching nuts.

My ex knew a girl who died from this.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

BettyUnderswoob · 19/06/2019 10:59

Crosspost, Sherlock, but what did you mean, then?

FoxtrotSkarloey · 19/06/2019 11:00

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AhhhHereItGoes · 19/06/2019 11:01

Also think in general not packing nuts is easier than dairy which is nearly in everything.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 19/06/2019 11:03

I think probably lots of people did die of allergies in days gone by, but no one knew to record the death as an allergic reaction to specific food. Which is maybe why it seems numbers are higher now.
My DC is at school with a child you has nut, dairy and dust allergies - must be so stressful for the parents.

LoafofSellotape · 19/06/2019 11:05

Are these nut allergies a recent thing? Are we molly coddling our kids so they develop allergies to basic foods that humans have eaten for thousands of years?

Not a new thing at all,children used to 'choke' on nuts and die. They weren't choking they were having an anaphylactic shock, the advice used to not to give nuts to under 3's because of choking risk.

We know better now.

One of the issues is the wide variety of foods which are available now and nuts being hidden in a lot of foods where as as back in the day nuts only made an appearance at Xmas.

HTH Smile

Wowzel · 19/06/2019 11:07

I had a friend who had a lot of allergies in the late 80s, early 90s. She was allergic to what felt like everything. Wherever we went her parents carried food for her as they couldn't risk her eating or touching something she was allergic to as they were so severe. Sadly, she died of anaphylaxis before she turned 10.

BettyUnderswoob · 19/06/2019 11:07

Neat deflection there, Sherlock, by calling in Sir David to explain for you.
DA says we may have stopped evolving because we’re keeping most babies alive. He may be right.
However nowhere did he say in that article that this was worrying or a bad thing. It’s you that’s doing that.

So why do you think it’s worrying?

Pinkmouse6 · 19/06/2019 11:08

Nuts weren’t allowed when I was at school years ago, this rule isn’t new.

Soola · 19/06/2019 11:08

@SherlockHolmesPipe

Interesting post. I was born in the 1960’s and all throughout the 1970s peanuts were widely eaten and as children my mother and my friends mothers would often offer visiting children a bowl of salted peanuts to eat.

We had never heard of allergies back then.

It was well into the 1980s before I ever heard of anyone having a nut allergy.

When I started my family in 1995 I bought all the latest baby magazines (most were just poor excuses for advertising products) but I read many times in the articles not to eat nuts whilst pregnant and not to give them to young children.

My mother said it was a load of nonsense but I duly went ahead and avoided nuts whilst pregnant and never offered them to my young children.

After I had finished breastfeeding I started eating my beloved cashew nuts again.

One day my son who was five at the time asked if he could have one. At that age they can be fussy and faddy eaters so of course I didn’t want to deny him any food.

I gave him one large whole cashew nut for him to try. It was ok and he didn’t want another one.

Half an hour later we were all cuddled up on the sofa watching a children’s film when I said something to my son and he replied in a comical high pitched voice!

As I turned to look at him his neck was swollen and I was somewhat startled!

He was fine in himself but his voice was squeaky and I was worried about the swelling. I phoned the NHS and they asked about his breathing which I said was fine.

An out of hours GP was sent round to us.

He arrived about an hour later and the swelling had mainly gone down from my sons neck.

Doctor was an Indian gentleman and was very kind and said as a precaution to give him a Piriton (might have been half) tablet ground up with the back of a spoon and the powder added to a jam sandwich.

Doctor was lovely and when I told him about my feeling guilty about giving my son the cashew but and how I had avoided eating nuts whilst pregnant and hadn’t given the children nuts before he shook his head sadly and told me that in India there were no but allergies and that young children were eating spices, nuts etc from an early age.

He said that my son had never eaten a bit before and his allergic reaction was his body treating it as a foreign object. He was seeing more and more cases like ours because of parents avoiding giving nuts to their children and then the children developing a nut allergy.

This was a one off for my son and he didn’t develop a nut allergy thank goodness.

This is what happened to us and the Doctor’s opinion is as how he told it to me.

Make of it as you like but it did make sense to me.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 19/06/2019 11:09

DN school does and she isn’t allowed to bring nuts, eggs, or dairy products.

As we're a vegetarian household I'd be starting to run out of ideas for lunchboxes that met the school's healthy living standards, didn't contain meat and didn't contain nuts / eggs / dairy Confused

Jam sandwiches 5 days per week aren't exactly the height of healthy foods, and good luck getting young kids to eat a bean salad...

escapade1234 · 19/06/2019 11:10

How do these children with allergies so severe they can die from just breathing near a nut exist in there world? I mean, isn’t just leaving the from door a risk? Do you prevent them from touching anything and cover their mouths with a mask when you’re out?

Soola · 19/06/2019 11:10

bit means nut

LoafofSellotape · 19/06/2019 11:11

How do these children with allergies so severe they can die from just breathing near a nut exist in there world? I mean, isn’t just leaving the from door a risk? Do you prevent them from touching anything and cover their mouths with a mask when you’re out?

No you live in fear every day they will touch something. Hope that answers your question?

escapade1234 · 19/06/2019 11:12

A child in my son’s class has a strawberry allergy. The result of this allergy is that his lips swell and he has a sore tongue if he eats a strawberry.

Consequently nobody is allowed to bring strawberries into school.

Isn’t that just bonkers??? Can’t the child be told not to eat strawberries?

flamingjune123 · 19/06/2019 11:12

I grew up in the 60’s and did not know one child or adult with any severe allergies. I nursed in the 80’s and 90’s as a Staff Nurse in A& E. I saw one person in that time in anaphylactic shock due to a bee or wasp sting
I have numerous siblings / nephews, nieces, cousins and second cousins, probably about 50 of them ages ranging from 5. - 60. Not one has an allergy to anything. Some breast fed, some bottle fed
Why are these allergies everywhere in the western world now?

LoafofSellotape · 19/06/2019 11:16

I ate these threads, people are so thick. So what if your kids can't eat a strawberry or a nut in their packed lunch,they won't die...but the allergic child might!

Kungfupanda67 · 19/06/2019 11:19

@Selmababies ridiculous reply, if you’ve got nothing constructive to add go and read something else. If you’d read the thread you’d know we were talking about why they can’t take nuts but they can take other allergenic foods (seeds for example) which can cause just as severe a reaction. I’m not stupid enough to not understand that some people are allergic to nuts

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LoafofSellotape · 19/06/2019 11:19

**hate not ate Grin

BettyUnderswoob · 19/06/2019 11:20

escapade1234

Did you hear about the boy who died after another pupil threw cheese at him?

There may be a risk if strawberries are around, even if the allergic child isn’t choosing to eat them, so no, it’s not “bonkers” for a school to be careful.

No one died from not eating strawberries.

Kungfupanda67 · 19/06/2019 11:21

@LoafofSellotape I never suggested the rules are ott (other people have but that wasn’t my point when I started the thread). I have no issue with my son not eating a peanut butter sandwich at school (or not taking a strawberry, although I do agree at a certain age that child will just need to be taught they can’t eat strawberries). I just wondered why nut allergies are treated differently to other allergies in schools

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/06/2019 11:22

Soola a doctor I know says he suspects the peanuts themselves may have changed over the decades, due to attempts by farmers/plant breeders to improve them and the use of pesticides. Even a slight change might be responsible for the recent increase in the number of people with a life threatening allergy.

DS1 was only just old enough to eat toast when he had his first anaphylactic reaction to peanuts. I don't believe Indian children eat peanuts any earlier than that.

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