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Do other people ever astonish you with their lack of general knowledge?

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Ohnotanothernamechange · 15/06/2019 16:34

Just recently I've spoken to a few people who expressed amazement when they disocovered that Chernobyl is a real place. I know that we all have gaps in our knowledge but how the hell you can not know about the Chernobyl disaster? It's a bit like the simpleton on a twitter some years ago who was amazed to discover that the Titanic was a real ship and not figment of James Cameron's imagination....

I remember one time a work colleague was going to Rome and when I told them I'd been they asked me if there was lots of stuff to see and do there. I was like well of course, it's Rome. And they asked me what they were. I then had to list the coliseum, the Trevi Fountain, The Spanish Steps, The Vatican, the countless Roman Ruins etc not to mention the countless designer shops and fabulous restaurants. They genuinely had no idea what was in Rome. I was gobsmacked. This was someone I'd assumed was pretty intelligent as well.

I can't work out if I just know too much, or these people are just really ignorant?

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SoupDragon · 18/06/2019 08:35

Oh I definitely learned about both in school (1990's) and I know for a fact that both are still taught now.

Here's a fun fact for you: not everyone went to school in the 1990s or now. Not everyone had the same school experience as you.

I didn't learn about them in school.

skyremote · 18/06/2019 08:36

Not knowing about the events of the holocaust or the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is such appalling ignorance I don't even know where to begin.

I have heard of the holocaust but I have never heard of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I'm quite happy not knowing about it, it won't impact my life, I can't change what happened. Yes it's awful that all them people died but me knowing about won't change anything.

SoupDragon · 18/06/2019 08:42

DS2 has been to Hiroshima on rugby tour. He found it quite sobering.

SoupDragon · 18/06/2019 08:42

(Obviously "quite sobering" doesn't quite cover the full realisation of what happened there!)

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/06/2019 08:47

If people understood more about the holocaust and the drip-drip of poisonous rhetoric that led up to it, perhaps they would think more carefully before they shared stuff on facebook.

Justaboy · 18/06/2019 09:11

Have a look at this link and site use your mouse to pan around and see the aftermath, taken in October that year IIRC, from a very small inefficent device just 20 kilotons nothing compared to todays standard 870 kiloton missile devices:(

www.360cities.net/image/hiroshima-after-atomic-bomb-nuclear-1

bellinisurge · 18/06/2019 09:12

"I'm quite happy not knowing about it [Hiroshima and Nagasaki] it won't impact my life, I can't change what happened. Yes it's awful that all them people died but me knowing about won't change anything."

It will impact your life if some loon launches a nuclear strike. Turn on the news. Jesus.Confused

tectonicplates · 18/06/2019 09:54

Provided that you know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west of course.

Only at Equinox. In midsummer it rises in the North-East and sets in the North-West. In midwinter it rises in the South-East and sets in the South-West. You did know that, didn't you, @NewSchoolNewName? Wink

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 18/06/2019 09:58

"If people understood more about the holocaust and the drip-drip of poisonous rhetoric that led up to it, perhaps they would think more carefully before they shared stuff on facebook."

Exactly.The EDL supporters and so on who post about how awful Muslims are would do well to realise that the Nazis talked in exactly the same way about Jewish people.

Graphista · 18/06/2019 10:11

"That's fine but then I wish people just wouldn't comment, if they're going to say ignorant shit (eg not believing we have the same passport or speak a variety of dialects etc.)" but they genuinely don't know they're wrong so when they comment they don't know they're saying anything offensive. Better to politely correct than berate and embarrass them.

I'll defend people having gaps in their knowledge unwittingly but I don't understand this

"And I don't care. It doesn't interest me and it won't affect my life at all."

Attitude.

It already HAS and continues to affect your life.

Ignorance is one thing, we're all ignorant to a certain extent, but arrogantly thinking your ignorance is something to be proud of? That you're somehow immune from the effects of history, politics, economics etc is bordering on the hubristic.

My ex was in the army when we met and yet "didn't do politics" (that Pbs ad was on around this time too) because according to him "it doesn't affect me" - as an army soldier!!

I did manage to explain to him that actually it affected him more than most - in a literal life and death way!

It was quite odd, and interesting, to observe his political awakening, which happened not only because of my interest influencing him but because he was then put in a role that required him to understand current affairs to do the job - that was a major wake up call for him in quite a shocking way that he actually found somewhat distressing initially.

Graphista · 18/06/2019 10:11

History is crucial to understanding what is going on in the world now, and yes economics is also a crucial subject.

As for the comment "I have a job/life" well bully for you! It's not an excuse! If you're running a business you need to understand the world in which it is functioning in order to ensure its success surely?

I'm unfortunately not able to work currently due to ill health. I have at various points (job history very mixed due to being an army brat and then an army wife) worked in hospitality, retail, manufacturing, chemical production, nursing, civil service and civilian administration. From entry level to middle management.

In every role I've had, my own curiosity led to me finding out more than I really needed to do the jobs, it made them more interesting and occasionally helped in gaining promotions (that wasn't the aim it was simply noticed).

I learnt French at school, but made the effort to also learn Spanish, Italian, German and Dutch because I was visiting or going to live in countries where these were spoken and even if only a fortnights holiday at the time I felt it was good manners to at least learn enough to manage basic communication. This was built on with practice. My personal experience has been that even though tourists/visitors who haven't made this effort get perfectly adequate service, making the effort led to a better experience all round but particularly better service in cafes/restaurants and shops. Again, not why I did it but a pleasant outcome.

"I think if more people had a better understanding of some aspects of history, such as Hitler's rise to power, politics might not be in the state they are today - and that affects us all." Totally agree.

"so it's not put me at any disadvantage" do you vote? Did you vote on brexit? If so then I and many others would say that actually you did so without the full information to hand.

"Just because I didn't learn about them doesn't mean I'm going to repeat the actions." By not knowing you could well be voting for people who hold the same views as the perpetrators of these atrocities, who are just as prejudiced against a different sector of people, who are just as likely to create the conditions that led to these atrocities.

"I'm no worse off for not knowing these things." Do you get that you're better off because of people that do and did understand? Who fought against it happening here?

"Didn't learn it in school" school cannot teach you everything. It should be (there's a whole other debate there) a foundation that equips people with the ability and skills to learn, through practice. What you should learn at school is how to think, and think critically. Not to blindly accept what politicians or msm tell you, to find out for yourself from reliable sources.

What's your job? I find it hard to believe you can possibly have a job not affected by recent history and politics.

What about your son? What kind of world do you want him to grow up in?

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 18/06/2019 10:16

"Better to politely correct than berate and embarrass them. "

Where did I say I berate them?

TBH, I just say nothing these days. Most English people I talk to about NI/Scotland have a really shitty/snooty attitude about it, so I just can't be arsed.

It's not my job to politely educate anyone, especially if they come to me with a superior, shitey attitude. I'm not their teacher and if they want to find out about it, there are plenty of resources these days.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/06/2019 10:23

Only at Equinox. In midsummer it rises in the North-East and sets in the North-West. In midwinter it rises in the South-East and sets in the South-West.

Really? Well, that explains a lot.

wonkylegs · 18/06/2019 10:26

I was astonished that DH had so little knowledge of art & literature when we got together - he's got a very high level of education but didn't know about Van Gogh or Picasso. I have a generally broader education but I have less in-depth knowledge on some subjects than he does. I love reading so I have absorbed stuff through devouring every book I can since I was small.
We try to give a wide range of experiences to our kids but I'm sure we miss some things. I've widened DHs cultural horizons over the years and he even came to a poetry night recently and enjoyed it.
I think the thing is that we often get stuck in a very narrow set of experiences and forget that others experiences are different.
I think it's going to be worse with the current cohort of kids as education is so focussed on the core subjects that they really aren't getting a taste of the wider world and you need that taste to spark an interest in the first place before you even begin to explore in greater depth.

tectonicplates · 18/06/2019 10:29

Yes, really. I'm always amused on these threads where someone says "anyone who doesn't know [a certain fact] is ignorant" and they actually turn out to be wrong, or have half the story.

www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/london

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 18/06/2019 10:34

"I think the thing is that we often get stuck in a very narrow set of experiences and forget that others experiences are different."

That's definitely true.

It's definitely eye-opening talking to my husband who is from a different country to me. The things I take for granted that everyone knows he has no clue about and vice versa. As an example, he had no idea about apartheid in South Africa, like literally no idea that it had happened at all.

It's sad, though, that knowledge of western culture/history (especially art/music etc) is seen as 'world history' whereas Asia/Africa are seen as being only of interest when they impact (or are impacted by) the west directly.

I mean, how many Indian or Japanese artists can the average person who scoffs at those who don't know Van Gogh name?

IrmaFayLear · 18/06/2019 10:36

Yes I’m sorry I have a job/life

Dear, oh dear. There we have it. Some people are too busy living their life to take any notice of anything.

No one knows everything, and that is why I'm always eager to learn something new. However, for some people every day must be a tsunami of new facts. You live and learn, and I must admit that I didn't know that having a job and living life precluded one from ingesting any information. Interesting...

Nesssie · 18/06/2019 10:40

I read a great quote today:

"Education is not memorising that Hitler killed 6 million Jews.
Education is understanding how ordinary Germans were convinced that it was required.
Education is learning how to spot signs of history repeating itself."

skyremote · 18/06/2019 10:40

@Graphista to answer some of your questions, no I've never voted as I don't understand politics and what they say and what they do are two different things so what's the point?

I don't really understand what's going on in the world now. Yes that's ignorance on my part but honestly it doesn't interest me. As I said above I know nothing about politics. I know TM is in charge ( but I also know it isn't for long) and that's about as far as my politics knowledge goes. I could probably google it and learn more about it but like I keep saying it won't make me a 'better' person for knowing it.

I know I'm better off because of what other people did and I'm obviously grateful to them but me knowing the ins and outs of it has no impact.

School also didn't teach me important things such as how to apply for a mortgage, how to save, what tax is and why it's taken? I think they are things that should be taught to kids.

I work in an admin role for the local council.

Obviously I want my son to grow up in a safe environment but I don't understand how me knowing what the holocaust is or what went on in the war or before will impact that.

There are still people around who do bad things I can only tell him of these people but I can't predict what they will do and telling him about things that happened even before his great grandparents were born won't affect him either.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 18/06/2019 10:42

The holocaust was never a topic I covered at school. I know a lot of people died but I couldn't tell you when/how/where or why they died. I don't know when any of the wars took place off the top of my head. My history is appalling but it's not something that interests me at all and I've never needed it in a conversation so it's not put me at any disadvantage for not knowing anything about it

This isn’t right.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/06/2019 10:42

Exactly.The EDL supporters and so on who post about how awful Muslims are would do well to realise that the Nazis talked in exactly the same way about Jewish people.

There was an awful one that went viral about "gypsies" in Britain being known to steal blonde-haired children last year. No-one seems to know that the Roma were also targeted for genocide by the Nazis. Everyone who merrily shared it could have done with a refresher on the holocaust and what constitutes inciting racial hatred.

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if people started sharing posts that about someone Jewish poisoning a well, or any other anti-semitic myth that belong back in the middle ages.

For the hard of thinking: NO, Jewish people do not poison wells. Nor do Christians, Muslims, or Wiccans.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 18/06/2019 10:46

"There was an awful one that went viral about "gypsies" in Britain being known to steal blonde-haired children last year. No-one seems to know that the Roma were also targeted for genocide by the Nazis. Everyone who merrily shared it could have done with a refresher on the holocaust and what constitutes inciting racial hatred."

Oh God, yes, travellers are another group that it's apparently ok to be a twat about. Even my lefty wokest friends seem to think it's ok to have a pop at them.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 18/06/2019 10:48

"Obviously I want my son to grow up in a safe environment but I don't understand how me knowing what the holocaust is or what went on in the war or before will impact that."

Because if everyone thought like you, we'd have another holocaust on our hands before we knew it.

MockerstheFeManist · 18/06/2019 10:53

Let us not forget the BNP and their Polish Spitfire...

Do other people ever astonish you with their lack of general knowledge?
JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/06/2019 10:53

I know TM is in charge ( but I also know it isn't for long) and that's about as far as my politics knowledge goes. I could probably google it and learn more about it but like I keep saying it won't make me a 'better' person for knowing it.

I know I'm better off because of what other people did and I'm obviously grateful to them but me knowing the ins and outs of it has no impact

Actually it would.

I have a brilliant record for not sharing dogwhistle racist bollocks on social media and recognising urban myths about oppressed racial minorities, because of learning about the rise of the Nazi party as part of learning to speak German.

Being aware of how easily ordinary, good, kind people like you and me slipped into supporting atrocities against other human beings has, without a doubt, made me a better person.

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