Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Who should do the washing up?

57 replies

IAmTheVeryHungryCaterpillar · 06/06/2019 08:34

Not sure if I’m BU in thinking the dishes should be down to DH to do a few nights during the week, so thought I’d get some other perspectives/see what goes on in other people’s homes.

I’m a SAHM to two young DC’s (both under 3), and naturally given that I’m the one at home everyday, I take on the lions share of the housework. This, I don’t actually mind too much as I am house proud and am one of those people who feel at their most relaxed and calm when things are in ‘order’ and everywhere looks tidy.

I do all of the cooking Monday-Friday, ensuring DH’s dinner is ready for when he gets in around 5:30pm, and it’s not uncommon for me to be the one doing it at the weekend too.
I hoover daily - sometimes twice given the age of DC’s and how messy they can be. I do probably 90% of the households laundry, DH sometimes does a few loads at the weekend if it’s particularly sunny as he has a thing about his clothes smelling ‘line fresh’ so likes to get a fair bit done and hung outside as and when he can.

I wash up every (well most) morning once youngest DC is napping, I make the beds, I keep on top of putting toys away throughout the day so the place doesn’t descend in to absolute chaos by the evening. I clean the bathroom at least twice a week, though often more than that as the DC’s get toothpaste everywhere, and DH leaves beard hairs around the sink too.

I also do the ‘bigger’ jobs such as cleaning the inside of all the windows, properly cleaning/washing the bathroom and kitchen floors, stain removing the rugs/sofas with a cleaning spray and scrubbing brush, dusting everywhere etc at least one per month as our place is small, so any dust/mess tends to show up pretty easily, especially with DC's the age that they are.

Now for what DH does during the week. He works Monday to Friday, leaving around 6:30 and getting home by 5:30. Once the DC’s have finished their dinner, he will clean them up, sometimes we’ll both wrangle them in to their pj’s, sometimes he’ll do the pair of them on his own. He’ll take them through and brush their teeth, sit with them for the 20 minutes ‘quiet’ time before bed, then take them through to their room. If the DC’s wake in the night, which is about a 50:50 chance that they will, he will get up and take them juice, but they settle pretty easily so if/when we do get up in the night, we’re back in bed within 5 minutes anyway.
While I am appreciative that he more or less ‘takes over’ with the DC’s once he’s in from work, I feel like I can’t pat him on the back or praise him for it because ultimately, the - less than an - hour he spends with them, pales in comparison to the often 11-12 hour day I would’ve just had with them, so I think it’s only fair he does his share of child duties and that that final hour shouldn’t be left to me.

Once the DC’s are in bed, it’s usually down to me to tidy away any remaining toys/books that have been left scattered around the lounge. I’d say I have about a 10% chance of him doing it without me asking him to, and even when he does, not everything gets put away anyway.
He does not wash up at all during the week once the DC’s are taken care of, if I’m lucky he might do it once at the weekend, but it’s during the week that’s starting to grind my gears. He’ll sit playing on his phone, playing the PS4, catching up on shows until we go to bed, obviously completely aware that if he doesn’t wash up before we retire for the evening, all the dishes from dinner and the DC’s lunch will be left for me to do in the morning.

I’m starting to get this growing bubble of resentment inside me about the washing up. It’s pissing me off that I cook every day, and it’s still my ‘job’ to clean up afterwards. I’ve spoken with him about this before, and said that I think it’s only fair that he should wash up occasionally during the week seeing as our home only looks as clean and tidy as it does, because of me, so him spending 10 minutes of an evening washing a few plates, the DC’s dinner trays etc would lighten my load for the following morning and is really the bare minimum expected of a functioning, respectful adult. That went well for about 3 weeks, before it tapered off and he stopped doing them again.

This isn’t one of those things where I can just leave it, and hope he’ll magically realise that the dishes haven’t been done so he’ll start taking it upon himself to do it, because if I don’t do the dishes when I get up, then the DC’s have nothing to eat off of, cutlery starts to run low, we’ll run out of coffee cups (thanks to the DC having broken most of our collection), so it’s either I do it, or we have nothing to eat or drink from that day.
So I just don’t know what else I can do or say to make him realise that cleaning up isn’t my ‘job’. It should be a shared responsibility.

I’m also ashamed to add that I do pick up his dirty clothes from the bedroom floor, clean the bath after he’s used it, sort out of his underwear and sock drawers etc. I start to feel like he’s a third child, but then a little person on my shoulder pops up and goes ‘but he does get the DC’s ready for bed, will get up with them in the night if needs be, does some laundry at the weekends, will take the DC’s out for an hour if I need a break’ and then I start to feel bad for thinking he should do some bloody washing up and wonder if I’m being petty and should actually be doing it all myself!?

Sorry that was far longer than I’d planned, but I guess the more I explain of my situation, the better catered the advice might be!

Thanks if you’ve read this far, and a further thanks for any tips you may have.

OP posts:
Morgan12 · 06/06/2019 10:07

I get your resentment but I don't 100% agree. If he is busy with the kids at that time then I don't see why you doing the washing up is a big deal.

I'm in the exact same position as you and have come to realise that my DH standards are just not as high as mine therefore I do pretty much everything. But he works hard, he earns enough money for me to be able to stay at home, he grudges me nothing and he does his fair share evenings and weekends.

I would let this one go. He seems a good guy and you sound like a good team.

Cedar03 · 06/06/2019 10:10

If you are both involved in the bedtime routine why don't you say to him once the children are in bed "DH will you wash and I dry or shall I wash and you dry?"
Or will you wash up while I tidy up the living room? Or will you tidy up the toys, etc while I wash up.

Drogosnextwife · 06/06/2019 10:12

Well it sounds like my house except dp doesn't take over with the kids when he comes home and I work ft from home aswell as do everything else. Just like you I have to tell dp to do any housework at all, he would never consider doing it without me asking. I hoover every day, trust me it's not unnecessary in my house.
I think it depends on the type of job he has tbh. DP has a very physical job and can be knackered at night. I do too but not as much. He also does a night shift at the weekend so I don't expect much from him at the weekend either. I have put my foot down recently and told him he needs to pull his finger out because having a very lazy partner is very off putting. He took it on board for a while, now we are back to square one. Time for the talk again I think.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Manclife1 · 06/06/2019 10:14

So him doing 20mins childcare isn’t work but you doing 11 hours it becomes work. YABVU. You don’t get to have it both ways. You’re a SAHM not a child minder so the rest of the household work will fall to you whilst you have time to do it and your husband is at work. Once you are both home you split it 50/50 it doesn’t necessarily mean one cook one clean. As long as your both contributing to the running of the house you're splitting it 50/50. If you don’t like it tell him to become a SAHD and YOU go to work.

Drogosnextwife · 06/06/2019 10:14

As a pp said, dps standards are just not as high as mine either. He couldn't give a shit if the house is messy and probably wouldnt even notice

Pinkvoid · 06/06/2019 10:14

The person who didn’t cook should wash up but, with the greatest of respects, I do think you are being a martyr here.

He doesn’t get home from 9/10 hours at work and sit around doing nothing. Helping with bedtime is a big help, I don’t think he’s lazy. You also do not have to do even half of the cleaning you choose to do. Could you buy a dishwasher? It will revolutionise your life. You don’t need to vacuum twice a day at all. I think you choose to do a lot of your tasks, most people don’t do this level of cleaning.

SilverDapple · 06/06/2019 10:16

I sympathise OP. I absolutely bloody HATE washing up. It's relentless and miserable and we were stuck in a house with no room for a dishwasher for years!

We have moved now and I have a dishwasher- I would never go back to not having one. Life changing. Seriously. The whole house is tidier and cleaner simply because I haven't got washing up to do!

You can get countertop dishwashers that you can attach to the kitchen tap and drain into the kitchen sink. If I was ever in a house that couldn't have a regular dishwasher I would 100% get a countertop one.

IAmTheVeryHungryCaterpillar · 06/06/2019 10:16

I think it feels like a big deal to me because the whole 'bedtime routine' itself takes no more than half an hour, (the half an hour previous to that we'll be playing with the DC's after they've had their dinner), and as I've said, it's not like he does the entire thing himself. Sometimes we'll share getting the dc dressed for bed, I do some tidying, get their room ready, get the milk ready, we're both doing things in that final half hour before bed. But I feel like it's coming across on here that because he spends that half hour doing actual child care, that means he gets a free pass from cleaning up? It's just rattled me a bit when I sit and look at the hours per day I put in doing childcare, I don't get a free pass from doing the housework. If I don't do things, then it doesn't get done. I'm home all day with the DC's, and still do my best to keep on top of everything.
Why should him doing half an hour bedtime routine mean he's 'done his bit' in the house for the day and shouldn't have to contribute further?

OP posts:
IAmTheVeryHungryCaterpillar · 06/06/2019 10:24

I'm not joking when I say we literally have no room for a dishwasher, even a counter top one. Our kitchen is so small that we have only one surface to prepare food on, put dinner plates on etc so can't take up that space with a dishwasher otherwise we'd be screwed when it came to food prep.

As I've said, I absolutely do need to hoover that often. I'm not sure you've seen the carnage that giving snacks to a 2 and a half year old and a one year old brings, but honestly, the mess is no joke. Throwing in toast crumbs from breakfast, crumbs and food droppings from lunch and yes, it needs hoovering daily. I don't look around the house and think 'hmmm, what can I do to make my day that bit more tiring and boring?'.

I have actually said to DH a few times about me going back to work and him being the SAHP, and he outright says he doesn't want to. He had to take a couple weeks off of work a while back when I had an injury, so he was literally having to do everything that i would normally do throughout the day, and he even said that it's exhausting and he doesn't know how I do it/wouldn't be able to cope with doing it full time.

OP posts:
Lubyloo · 06/06/2019 10:26

But he's out at work all day earning money! You are at home working all day. It doesn't matter who does what household chores. You are both putting in similar hours contributing to the smooth running of the household. It sounds like you would be happier working than being a SAHM.

Lubyloo · 06/06/2019 10:27

Cross posted with yours!

jenthehen · 06/06/2019 10:28

I have older children. However, I have always done all of the cooking and tidying away. I do all of the housework including jobs like unblocking sinks, decorating, hedge cutting, lawn mowing and small repairs. I work part time but have just turned down extra paid work as I transport my children to their sports activities almost every evening and at weekends and just feel I can’t take on any extra. My husband works long hours and often travels away from home. I think people often think I’m a “lady of leisure” because I don’t do much paid work however, I feel that I do more than my fair share (I’ve even turned my hand to dry stone walling and hedge laying). I’ve realised you have to do what works for you as a family. When I say I do it all, I mean everything. If I’m made a cup of tea or brought a glass of wine it’s a treat. I therefore don’t feel guilty If I make time to exercise during the week whilst he’s working.

Manclife1 · 06/06/2019 10:29

If it’s such an issue don’t help DH putting kids to bed and do the pots then.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 06/06/2019 10:33

*The lounge floor becomes chaos by midday after the DC's have had breakfast, snacks and lunch.....

By 10am, you can't even see our lounge floor through the mass of books, stuffed toys, wooden blocks, massive dump trucks etc, so I make a point of trying to pack things away*

Why do they eat in the lounge? Why not in the kitchen, in high-chairs so they are easy to clean?

And why are they getting everything out every day?!

You've said yourself that you can't relax if you don't consider your home to be tidy and clean. So make it easier for it to stay tidy and clean. You're making a rod for your own back spending the day tidying up messes that don't need to be made in the first place, and then feeling like you've done nothing but tidying up.

Do what nurseries do - I used to manage the toddler room of one. A limited selection of toys, so they stay interesting and the house isn't chaos. Food in one place, that is easily cleanable, using bibs. No sleeping or blankets on the floor... youngest DC can have that wind-down time in bed, or on their bedroom floor, where you can leave the blankets and stop having to get them out and put them away every day.

If you want a more free-flowing parenting style, you'll need to accept that it is generating a lot of mess.

IAmTheVeryHungryCaterpillar · 06/06/2019 10:44

Anchor, I've already said so many times about how our kitchen is tiny, if both DH and I are out there there's literally no room to move. High chairs are kept in the lounge because there's no space for them in the kitchen. And it's all well and good then eating in high chairs, but youngest DC who's 1, throws food around everywhere, there's only so much containment that a high chair tray can provide from food droppings.

The DC's have one toy box, and three small bags of toys set up on a bookcase in the lounge. But all it takes is for one bag of blocks to be dragged out and a few larger toys scattered around and the place is a mess. Yes, toys everywhere grates on me, but why shouldn't we all play with them together? The DC's love books, and often pull many of them out of the bookcase for me to read to them. I of course do this, but this then means I'm left with a pile of 20 odd small board books next to me which of course I have to put back otherwise they end up all over the floor.

I think if when it got to the weekend, chores were split 50.50, I'd have less resentment about his lack of doing chores during the week. But as I've said, bar him doing the occasional bit of laundry if it's sunny (which he won't fold and put away, that's up to me to do) at the weekend, he won't do anything else. It's still me washing up on a Saturday and Sunday, 95% of the time, it's me cooking again. It's me making the beds, it's me hoovering, it's me cleaning the bath after the kids have used or it, or even after he's used it. It's me stripping and changing the bed, it's me watering the plants, the list is endless. Yes, he'll sit and play with the dc whilst I'm running around like a nutter doing housework, but again, I don't think playing with the dc means he shouldn't have to a lift a finger in the house whilst we're both here.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 06/06/2019 11:05

No of course it shouldn’t so tell him that

huuskymam · 06/06/2019 11:08

Maybe you could work as a team when dinner is over. Take alternative days 1 doing the bedtime routine and the cleaning up the dinner dishes. Who ever is finished first, helps the other finished. Then you can both sit down and relax at the same time when the kids are in bed.

Damntheman · 06/06/2019 11:12

You're right OP, he needs to do more. I would just start telling him what he's doing. "Go fold the laundry you did while I put the kettle on and then we can have a play with the kids." "Run the hoover about while I tidy up the high chairs, love." "Do the washing up and I'll make the shopping list for tomorrow." Enough of that and it'll start to form a habit, I hope.

Differing standards is really hard to live with sometimes. My standards are a lot lower than my DH's. He ends up doing most of the housework because of it, but because I love him I will listen when he says he needs me to step it up.

MonkeyTrap · 06/06/2019 11:18

I think there’s a difference in doing the lions share because you’re at home and being a maid. Your DH shouldn’t be adding to your workload leaving his pants lying around.

He’ll sit playing on his phone, playing the PS4, catching up on shows until we go to bed, obviously completely aware that if he doesn’t wash up before we retire for the evening, all the dishes from dinner and the DC’s lunch will be left for me to do in the morning.

Do you get some breathing space? If not you should speak to your DP and make sure that it’s not just him that gets to relax but you both!

IAmTheVeryHungryCaterpillar · 06/06/2019 11:21

Perhaps I need to be more forward rather than just getting on with everything.

It's so hard when you're doing everything for your DC's, then have to factor in cleaning the sides in the kitchen every morning after DH has left mess from making his lunch, picking up his dirty clothes from the bedroom floor because he couldn't be bothered to put them in the laundry basket before he left, cleaning his mess from around the bathroom sink, every, damn, day.

I hate feeling like a nag and I hate feeling resentful, but it's difficult not to when you're exhausted yourself and still clearing up after a grown adult that's capable of doing it themselves and won't even offer to wash the dishes every so often.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 06/06/2019 11:29

Childcare and housework should be split equally during the evenings and weekends. You are clearly keeping on top of the housework during the day when he's at work, so it's fair enough that he should share the rest with you when he's home.

I don't know exactly the best way to organise your evenings but perhaps the two of you could start by taking it in turns to wash up, or doing it together (one washes, one dries)?

As for this...
"I’m also ashamed to add that I do pick up his dirty clothes from the bedroom floor, clean the bath after he’s used it, sort out of his underwear and sock drawers etc."
STOP DOING THIS. Stop acting like his maid and tell him to stop treating you like one. It's a vicious circle you've fallen into.

Quartz2208 · 06/06/2019 11:29

He needs to be cleaning his mess up for a start not on leaving it to you

violetbunny · 06/06/2019 11:41

Your job when he is at work is SAHM. Anything that needs doing when you are both at home should be 50/50. You should have exactly the same amount of leisure time.

IAmTheVeryHungryCaterpillar · 06/06/2019 11:43

Yeah, I know I should just leave his shit for him to deal with. About a year ago, I left all of his dirty clothes to build up in the bedroom, and before long, the pile was so big that he was starting to run out of clean underwear and work shirts. I ended up caving in and washing it because I couldn't bare to look at the pile any longer.

Now, I could really gross you all out and tell you that - one too many times - I've had to pick up small piles of his toe nails and finger nails from the arm of the sofa where he'll sit and pick them off in the evening then not throw them away. So there I am in the morning, picking up this disgusting little pile before the dc get to it Angry

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 06/06/2019 13:09

That's fucking horrendous