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Jilly Cooper

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LaMarschallin · 05/05/2019 13:54

I hope I'm not doing a TAAT. There's a thread about Rupert Campbell-Black on AIBU but I had thought for a while about starting a general Jilly Cooper thread and don't want to ask if I'm BU, hence posting on Chat. I certainly don't mean to BU; please tell me if I am.
I'm at a loose end today as Mr LaM is off doing one of those madly outing hobbies (he's playing chess. I'll put the kettle on for all the stalkers who are bound to charge up**).
I come really, really not to bury Jilly but not to totally praise her either (pace Shakespeare).
I love her books. They are my comfort reading (along with Eva Ibbotson) and I swear I could romp home with the works of JC as a specialist subject on Mastermind (I'd obviously flunk general knowledge). I have had to re-buy three of her books because they fell apart.
And yet, and yet...

She gets away with bloody murder! She's racist, sexist, classist (is that a thing?) and - even worse from my point of view - she's repetitive. For an author that's not good.
She comes up with the same phrases. Eg: "threw up and up and up"; "hit him across the room/parking lot/whatever"; "drenched herself in scent"; "stank like a polecat" etc

When it comes to breastfeeding everything who does it will "whip out a triangular grey tit" and stuff it in their revolting offspring's mouth. Unless they're Janey who's been on holiday and has such lovely suntanned breasts that nobody minds her breastfeeding. Luckily Taggie's breasts didn't drop because she'd never fed a baby.*

The lower classes are fine if they:
a) stay in their place and make amusing malapropisms: "Let's get up a partition!"
b) make a lot of money but keep their hilarious regional accents: "Grite, grite! That 'elps a lot".
If they dare ape their betters they are ghastly, talk "ever so posh laike that" and ask for "a portion of that delicious gateau" and tell dukes they would be "delayted to receive them in their gracious 'ome". And always - if female - wear shirtwaister dresses.

I know! I'm over invested. I should stop reading her if I think all these things.
I enjoy her books. I'm surprised she's hardly ever called out in interviews about her dated views but - hell yes! - I wish was as rich and successful and well-connected.

I just want a gossip. Anybody else?

*I have wondered if this is JC trying to cheer herself up because she couldn't give birth to children; I know she has two children and it sounds as though that's been a great success but maybe occasionally she thinks, "Well, at least I kept my figure".

**Just decided on previewing to change "charge up" to "rock up". Another Jilly-ism.

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LaMarschallin · 05/05/2019 21:35

@HelloViroids

OP - good answer!
Hurrah!

Follow up question - are you such a domestic slut that you will just throw the egg shells into the sink, leaving them for your husband/char/landlady to clear up?

Tricky.
Now I don't want to be such a Valerie that I'd whip them out of the sink before they'd touched enamel (or would bellow for my treasure of a daily, Mrs Makepiece, or my au pair, the trusty Ortrude, to do so) but I don't want to leave them fester with 48 others like Janey....
Hmm...
I take sneaky answer 3 and unfortunately forget about them while I go off to visit Maud, drift back through the valley while enthralled by the natural beauty, get creatively stuck into my book and then - just when a new life form seems to be evolving from the humungous pile of grot in the sink - I waltz off with rich Freddie who can afford umpteen chars, dailies, whatever to sort it all out.
Sorted!
Or, my darling Freddie would say, "Sore-ed".

A glottal stop a day keeps the stereotypical posh heroes away Smile

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Whisky2014 · 05/05/2019 21:37

Right, what book shall I start with?

LaMarschallin · 05/05/2019 21:41

@Whisky2014

Op, you sound fun!

Just saw this and I have to say: how really kind. It's basically all I aspire to be.

Feel all warm now.

not in a scary way though 😉

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LaMarschallin · 05/05/2019 21:56

@Whisky2014

Right, what book shall I start with?

Cross post - sorry!

Now, it depends on how much time you want to put in.
Ideally, imo, you should read Rivals. But you should read Riders first. However, they're whoppers.

If you're a bit of a dilettante (and, goodness knows, we like a bit of that in JC world, I think) try the "name" books: Emily, Bella, Harriet, Octavia, Imogen, Prudence.... also Lisa & Co which are short stories. Emily was my first. I was 13
Her non-fiction isn't bad either. Class is a good one - demonstrates her excellent research plus her very individual take on various classes.

Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon g.co/kgs/1PPYse

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Whoopstheregomyinsides · 05/05/2019 22:11

I so need to re read

BeautifulMaudOHara · 05/05/2019 22:46

Animal health and good digestion! Thank you! Was wracking my brains but couldn’t remember!

thevenerablemrsthornton · 05/05/2019 22:59

OP have to agree with everything you've said but I do love her novels and re read them as a form of comfort from time to time. Whenever I do I end up drinking good french white, yearning for smoked salmon and dousing myself in penheligans...

Whisky2014 · 06/05/2019 11:19

Right I'm diving in and bought riders and rivals in a combo deal on amazon.

sideorderofchips · 06/05/2019 11:25

Ah I love JC books. I have read them so many times.

Only one I can’t stand is Wicked!

LaMarschallin · 06/05/2019 11:56

Only one I can’t stand is Wicked!

Oh my, yes!

The underaged sex creeped me out and I did not want to hear about Bianca losing her virginity at 13.

I think Jilly wanted us to think she was moving with the times but, sadly, got it really wrong.

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GertrudeCB · 06/05/2019 12:11

I have found my people < sits on Taggie's knee with a martyred sigh>

TaggieCampbellBlack · 06/05/2019 12:23

That bastard Rannaldini.

I so would though.......

sideorderofchips · 06/05/2019 13:03

Yes all the underage sex was creepy as hell

BeautifulMaudOHara · 06/05/2019 13:03

Eww I could never see the attraction of Rannaldini. Agree about Wicked, it was horrible.

sideorderofchips · 06/05/2019 13:06

Never saw the draw of rannaldini. Or Jake for that matter

Now Luke on the other hand...

kierenthecommunity · 06/05/2019 16:58

What on earth was the Buttercunt thing all about? I’m assuming it’s some sort of Cooperesque pun but I can’t work out the joke. It’s possibly the unsexiest thing ever though

kierenthecommunity · 06/05/2019 17:01

Oh and I assume smelling of good digestion means doesn’t have stinky breath

LaMarschallin · 06/05/2019 17:35

What on earth was the Buttercunt thing all about? I’m assuming it’s some sort of Cooperesque pun but I can’t work out the joke.

I think it meant she needed no extra lubrication, so great was her excitement.

It's totally yuk. But it is slight worrying in the context of Rupes painting Tag's labia with olive oil before taking nude photos of her.

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CremantDeLoireSocialist · 06/05/2019 17:56

OP I completely agree with your analysis of JC's books! I feel just the same.

Another thing that bothered me was how it was OK for someone to cheat on their partner, if they were cheating with someone you were supposed to be rooting for (e.g. Luke abandoning his lovely girlfriend to get together with bitchy Perdita in Polo, or Patrick in Rivals with Cameron at his own birthday party while his girlfriend was actually there!) - I worry there is a moral vacuum at the heart of them really.

Still enjoyed the books though!

TheBalladofMrsBegg · 06/05/2019 18:26
TheBalladofMrsBegg · 06/05/2019 18:26
TheBalladofMrsBegg · 06/05/2019 18:27

^ every time I see Jilly Cooper's name i think of this.

Supersimpkin · 06/05/2019 18:31

IRL Jilly is way too clever to be racist, sexist or classist. There is a difference between her and her characters, you know. But they're both bloody funny.

SlatternIsTrying · 06/05/2019 19:57

Oh to go back in time and re live reading Riders, Rivals and Polo for the first time!

For those asking I would definitely read those first - they are peak Jilly. I don’t feel anything she has done since has met the same wonderful standard.

And don’t get me started on Rupert cheating on Taggie.

ControversialFerret · 06/05/2019 20:20

Luke wrote to Cassandra Murdoch to 'level with her' years before anything happened with Perdita, so he didn't cheat. Chessie tells Perdita this when they are in the stands waiting for the Fathers & Sons polo match to start in Palm Beach.

Ricky's pony is blank. The name is of its time (I'm not repeating it here) but I'd be extremely surprised if current re-prints still use it.