Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Feeling really thick about all the new housing

39 replies

BuckingFrolics · 30/04/2019 14:36

There's a house shortage and new housing is going up everywhere.

What I feel thick about is, who is moving into these new houses? The ones near me are damn expensive and definitely being bought by well heeled folk.

So is that the people moving into the new builds are them releasing capacity in eg 2 bed places, which get bought by FTB leaving rented, which makes way for people to move into rented from eg B&B?

I don't see why we're not just building loads of smaller places for the increase in single householders.

Why all these 3,4,5 bed "luxury" houses? Surely what is needed is affordable modest housing?

Can someone explain how and why this model works?

OP posts:
Passthecherrycoke · 30/04/2019 23:37

Well with LHA caps in place HB won’t generally pay for high end / expensive private rentals. In many areas the LHA cap is keeping prices down so fewer new builds will go for rental.

AlunWynsKnee · 01/05/2019 00:07

what is needed are smaller homes/flats for younger and older people.
I suspect there are a lot of older couples like my parents rattling around in a family house because they have the living area and garden that suits them whilst bedrooms gather dust. And also because moving is too much effort.
They live in a detached house, they don't want a flat.
If I can persuade them to move it will be to a detached bungalow but that's not what's being built because it's not the right density or profit.

Preggosaurus9 · 01/05/2019 00:15

I know one family who have one of those new build fancy homes OP. Both of them owned flats immediately after uni and went straight into proper careers. They married in their mid 30s so 10+ years worth of equity from the 2 flats plus their earnings increased from 10+ years of good careers, to allow them to afford the new build they currently have.

Bumming around "finding out what your really want to do/your passion" is a mug's game in your 20s if no bank of mum and dad to magic up a house deposit. Much smarter to go straight to work in a career with good progression prospects.

Bastards Grin

BettyBooJustDoinTheDoo · 01/05/2019 00:25

You make a good point Alun people don’t necessarily want to downsize as such when they retire and grow older, they still want space but a different style of living reflected in their home, they probably don’t want or need 5 bedroomed “Family” house but I expect they would still like the square footage they currently have. I think developers are missing a trick, they should be building big, one or two bedroomed houses which have large living accommodation, big kitchen diners, large living rooms etc the space of a family home but redistributed to suit couples or singles rather than families. I think if more “lifestyle” homes were built people in the big family houses maybe more willing to move on.

HelenaDove · 01/05/2019 00:36

a lot of estates are deliberately put into managed decline. As tenants move or die (like our lovely neighbour did two years ago) the new tenants have been people with drug problems and/or violent . Estate then gets a reputation as a sink estate then when whispers of regeneration start no public or media sympathy or interest as "that place is full of druggies" that the HA put there in recent years

HelenaDove · 01/05/2019 00:45

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/becka-hudson/councils-trying-to-use-grenfell-as-excuse-to-clear-estates
Add message | Report | Message poster
HelenaDove Wed 26-Sep-18 23:36:47

"The councils trying to use Grenfell as an excuse to clear estates
Becka Hudson 20 September 2018

Since a fire killed 72 people in London's Grenfell Tower, councils have been using safety concerns to try to move people out of housing estates.

Broadwater Farm Estate. By Iridescenti - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0.

It seemed, at least for a time after the Grenfell fire, that social housing was atop the political agenda. Housing was centred at party conferences, discussed in reams of media, and organisations from across the political spectrum issued announcements, green papers, and reports on the topic. Many argued that Grenfell must signal a turning point in how the UK houses people. Amidst this discussion, we were introduced to the fire’s likely causes. There were those named individuals, from councillors to contractors, and then there were its systemic roots. A deeply embedded ‘culture’ of neglect and dispossession: the ignoring of tenants, the arbitrary revocation of crucial safety law, and widespread social cleansing of blocks, estates and entire neighbourhoods under the guise of ‘regeneration’.

Ten days after the fire and one borough across, late one Friday night, thousands of estate residents were rushed from their homes into makeshift relief shelters. Safety checks by Camden council, issued in the aftermath of Grenfell, had found the Chalcots estate covered in similar flammable cladding. The sudden evacuation was widely criticised. Residents complained about the councils’ aggressive approach, their lack of communication and rehousing options and, even as late as March this year, their disregard for residents as revelations of further safety problems emerged. Residents’ confrontations with council leader Georgia Gould went viral. One featured a woman countering Gould’s assertion that safety was the council’s priority, pointing out “for this long now you’ve allowed them to live in this property that’s been dangerous – how?”. Back up in Chalcots’ towers, around 200 people refused to leave. For them, the chaos and lack of support in leaving posing a greater threat than staying put. As one such occupier told a journalist “It [seeing Grenfell] does make us want to leave, But [...] there’s nowhere to go, and they’re not looking to move us out anywhere convenient.”

Despite the media, the promises and the reports, these catch-22s persist in estates across the country. For one, many thousands of people continue to live in buildings coated in flammable cladding. Though the prime minister finally committed to funding the removal of unsafe cladding from social blocks this May, the process is partial, and slow. And when such insulation is removed, residents are presented with a new safety battle. As Ruth from the Safe Cladding and Insulation Now (SCIN) campaign explains: “One of the most widespread safety risks is lack of insulation, in a country where thousands die every winter because they can't afford to heat their homes. [...]” She argues that unless the cladding crisis is acted on soon, “given the current standards of building regulations and enforcement, we are likely to see basically sound old estates demolished and replaced with "modern" ones where residents are at serious risk from both cold, and overheating.”

Elsewhere, local authorities are discovering that decades of neglecting and underfunding council homes present safety concerns beyond fire. In Tottenham’s Broadwater Farm estate, two blocks were revealed to be structurally unsound following ‘post-Grenfell’ safety checks. The blocks were vulnerable to collapse if there were an explosion or vehicle impact. Haringey Council’s response, too, has been speedy evacuation – this time in order to demolish both blocks. 200 households are being told they must permanently leave their homes before October, when their supplier intends to switch off gas supply. Questions from residents and campaigners have arisen about the council’s intentions, and their ability, to afford adequate rehousing whilst demolition takes place and to guarantee any new towers would be available for all the same residents, at the same rent.

What faces residents of demolished social housing? Experiences from other demolitions are instructive: the land usually sold to a private developer, and the number of social housing units built in their place slashed. Council tenants are often forced to leave their communities, enter the private rental sector or move into pricey, often inadequate and invariably insecure temporary accommodation as they await another council home that may never come. Jacob, a resident of one of the towers facing demolition and a member of its Residents Association explains: ‘Council tenants get lied to all the time. I believe that strengthening the blocks [to prevent collapse], is expensive but it would be cheaper [than demolition]. Because it’s been deliberately neglected for so long, there isn’t a groundswell of residents asking for the council to save ‘our lovely block’. But as people move people into small and temporary flats, I don’t think they’ll be happy.”

These impossible binds in which council tenants are caught, be they around heating costs or safety concerns, are not inevitable. Even as government, and the developers and contractors with which they work, continue to do next to nothing to address the housing crisis, they patently could. One recent breakthrough was the Mayor of London’s introduction of a requirement for resident ballots to be taken on estates facing regeneration, official guidance on which was released this summer. The move was a step forward in demonstrating avenues for genuine consultation and accountability, though it is has key loopholes, including one exemption for demolitions needed for ‘safety reasons’. At Broadwater Farm, it’s the timing of any such ballot that matters.

“They say they will have a ballot or consultation after everyone is moved out”, Jacob counters, “but residents will have already moved by then, and are likely to be out of the block for two years, probably even longer.” The process indeed works as a disincentive to residents interested in refurbishment as opposed to demolition. “If there is a ballot and residents vote for refurbishment, we won’t be entitled to the £6,000 payment we would if it were demolished.”. After the considerable costs of moving home, £6,000 is not a small sum to refuse. Jacob’s message to local authorities? “Don’t use safety concerns to displace residents”.

It is not a problem exclusive to Tottenham. Across the river in Peckham, the Ledbury Estate was condemned as unsafe last year. Southwark council’s response? Demolition. For Danielle, from the estate’s Action Group, this isn’t good enough. “We had been raising these safety concerns for years and they have to be taken seriously. But the job to convince everyone they’re doing the right thing by decanting us is the council’s responsibility”. It is difficult for residents to read Southwark council’s actions as motivated by concern for safety. Just last month it was revealed they claimed to have carried out post-Grenfell risk assessments on 174 Southwark blocks; in fact they had checked just eight. On the ballot question, for Southwark, the writing is on the wall. “The results from our consultation have just come through”, Danielle tells me “The majority of people want the towers saved – it is now a question of money. For the council, it should be a case of listening and taking seriously what residents want. They should have a say in what happens next.”

The disregard for residents that built towards the deadliest fire in living memory now persists even when councils aim, or claim, to be addressing safety issues. Residents are routinely ignored on safety and, when councils act, are being coerced into impossible decisions. Thousands face potentially lethal fire, deadly cold, structural collapse – or displacement and entirely insecure housing options. As Danielle says of Southwark’s response to Ledbury, ‘If this continues then people will not trust to raise safety concerns, they’ll be pushed away from wanting to make them.’ Some journalists who covered the Chalcots estate last year interviewed residents refusing to leave with an air of bemusement: why would anyone stay in a categorically dangerous home? If councils don’t listen to tenants and do their utmost to act in the interests of both their safety and their housing security, we are likely to see more of the same"

PickAChew · 01/05/2019 00:50

The low cost element in the new builds in the village I recently left were smaller than that house and over 2 tines the price!

Shadowboy · 01/05/2019 06:51

Passthecherrycoke the section 106 planning obligations does try to ensure housing developers meet the maximum or at least make some contribution. The developer would have to prove that the viability it compromised to prevent building any affordable or social housing if I remember correctly?

I don’t know what happened when they reviewed section 106 in 2013 (are they still trying to change it?) so maybe things have changed but the majority or estates my OH has dealt with as part of consultations has a reasonable SH/AH mix.

To be fair though affordable housing only needs to be 80% of the market value- so in the SE they are still expensive.

Nameusernameuser · 01/05/2019 07:30

Can anyone help with this?
The local MPs near us say due to the rising population in our little town we don't need more new builds (which they're putting up lots) but we need more council houses!

How does that make any sense, me and DP couldn't afford to buy on our salaries, but we are also not entitled to a council house. There aren't any homeless people in our area, but surely council houses aren't the answer because not everyone who needs a stable home will be entitled?

The new builds are around £210,000. A 3/4 bed terrace is about £150,000. It makes no sense to me.

Passthecherrycoke · 01/05/2019 07:36

@shadowboy that’s only land that has section 106 obligation though- certainly not all does, and many developers have made policy decisions not to buy 106 land because of the complexity of the obligations and reduced profit.

BuckingFrolics · 01/05/2019 12:08

At first I was confused, now I'm bloody raging!

OP posts:
HelenaDove · 03/05/2019 02:00

www.kilburntimes.co.uk/news/merle-court-evictions-1-6029978?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

"Defects in South Kilburn block results in all occupiers forced to move home

All occupiers of a housing block in South Kilburn will be forced to move out due to “defects” with the building.

Merle Court, a development owned by Catalyst Housing, was built by Willmott Dixon in 2012 as part of the much lauded South Kilburn regeneration project.

Of the 50 occupiers, eight own and rent their homes as part of a shared ownership deal and 42 are social tenants.

They attended a meeting on Tuesday after this paper had gone to press.

The building is clad in aluminium composite material (ACM), similar to the material used to cover Grenfell Tower. In the wake of the fire there in 2017, the Merle Court cladding was deemed safe.

But last year government regulations changed and now the cladding needs to be replaced and other defects dealt with. Catalyst would not say what these were.

Writing to residents, the housing association said: “We knew there were other faults within the external walls that required attention, but this new guidance has significantly increased the amount of work needed to Merle Court.

All of the brickwork as well as the cladding will be removed and replaced to enable Catalyst to “rectify defects, replace insulation and undertake other works to the block”. It is expected to take two years.

Some tenants will be offered another Catalyst property while others will have to bid on the council's Locata system.

Catalyst will buy back shared ownership flats at “current market value” but pricing structures where occupiers pay a mortgage and pay rent may impact leaseholders.

Kilburn councillor Abdi Abdirazak said: “We are very concerned about the situation. We are waiting to see whether the relocation and compensation packages meet and fulfil the needs of the leaseholders and tenants.”

He added: “We need to understand why Catalyst hasn't moved on this, particularly as the problem with cladding has been known for some time.”

Pete Firmin, chair of Alpha, Gorfield and Canterbury Residents' Association, added: “There's a big issue about the quality of what's being built in South Kilburn and Brent needs to look at that.”

A Catalyst spokesperson said households would be spoken to individually. “Catalyst is determined to do the right thing, to provide support to everyone in Merle Court during the rehousing process, and ensure residents' rights are protected and no one is left out of pocket as a result of the works.”

There was no comment on why the company did not act earlier."

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 03/05/2019 02:49

'Affordable' housing is the most meaningless phrase ever. It winds me up every time I hear it.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.

Swipe left for the next trending thread