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Totally honest question about money laundering

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Hohofortherobbers · 25/04/2019 21:33

Just catching up with eastenders and I don't understand money laundering. So Mr x has 'dirty' money and Phil agrees to 'clean' it. I get he can pretend he takes more club admission sales in his nightclub and then pays tax on the profit and has 'clean' club profit, but how does then then give it back to Mr x? If he just hands the cash back isn't it just as 'dirty' as in the first instance? Does he pretend to employ Mr x and give him the money back in wages? Doesn't that make Mr x quite identifiable?

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DadDadDad · 25/04/2019 22:51

I think in principle anything that makes it harder to trace the original source of illegally obtained money is of some use to criminals, but this doesn't sound that effective. Presumably, Phil can make Mr X a shareholder / part-owner in the club and pay him a share of the profits? But investigators could just ask how was the share paid for in the first place...

Normally, money launderers will be looking to pass their money through a financial institution (or other "respectable" third-party organisation), mixing it in with legitimate funds, so its origin is obscured.

I work for a pensions provider and we have to do money laundering training, and it does make me laugh the idea of a 30-year old mastermind putting his illicit gains into a personal pension to clean them, then realising he has to wait 25 years before he can take them out and spend them! That's one patient criminal... Grin

DadDadDad · 25/04/2019 22:54

Just noticed your username and wondering about that rather obvious "honest" in the thread title. You're not Mr X, are you? Hmm

Hohofortherobbers · 26/04/2019 12:22

Grin no, not Mr x, the name is a line from a book I had growing up and now read to my son. 'The cops and the robbers'. It has the often repeated line 'ho ho for the robbers, the cops and the robbers ho ho!'

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bsc · 26/04/2019 12:25

Oh! I used to know that book! Is it by Ahlberg?

Hohofortherobbers · 26/04/2019 15:26

Yes, I have a battered old 70's copy which my dc love!

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MrsTerryPratchett · 26/04/2019 15:30

The giving back is an issue but the 'cleaning' is great in a club. Anything where there isn't a product as such. Another one is tanning salons. Invisible product! Anyone wonder why there are so many that look empty and people are really anti-tanning now? That's why.

foxyknoxy30 · 26/04/2019 15:31

The money once banked looks as if legitimate from nightclub takings etc he can then transfer the money to various accounts to hide the source eventually making its way to where they want it to go offshore etc

Vinorosso74 · 26/04/2019 15:35

I recall it's called "layering". The dirty money can be passed through multiple layers/companies to clean it and make it harder to trace the origins.
Dodgy buggers!

SydneyCarton · 26/04/2019 15:39

I think I remember hearing that the phrase “money laundering” came about from gangsters in New York in the 50s and 60s using coin-operated laundries to funnel their cash through

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking · 26/04/2019 15:52

Any cash based business can be used to launder money .

So, eg you are a taxi driver or a self employed jobbing builder or a hairdresser. These are examples of cash based businesses.

So you agree to process through your bank accounts, eg the proceeds of the local drug dealer. You will be allowed to keep a cut of the money.

In order to 'launder' it - you then have to keep the money legitimately in the system, so you will arrange a bank transfer out to other companies to legitimise the source.

Methods and Stages of Money Laundering

There are three stages involved in money laundering; placement, layering and integration.

*Placement8 –This is the movement of cash from its source. On occasion the source can be easily disguised or misrepresented. This is followed by placing it into circulation through financial institutions, casinos, shops, bureau de change and other businesses, both local and abroad. The process of placement can be carried out through many processes including:

Currency Smuggling – This is the physical illegal movement of currency and monetary instruments out of a country. The various methods of transport do not leave a discernible audit trail FATF 1996-1997 Report on Money Laundering Typologies.
Bank Complicity – This is when a financial institution, such as banks, is owned or controlled by unscrupulous individuals suspected of conniving with drug dealers and other organised crime groups. This makes the process easy for launderers. The complete liberalisation of the financial sector without adequate checks also provides leeway for laundering.
Currency Exchanges – In a number of transitional economies the liberalisation of foreign exchange markets provides room for currency movements and as such laundering schemes can benefit from such policies.
Securities Brokers – Brokers can facilitate the process of money laundering through structuring large deposits of cash in a way that disguises the original source of the funds.
Blending of Funds – The best place to hide cash is with a lot of other cash. Therefore, financial institutions may be vehicles for laundering. The alternative is to use the money from illicit activities to set up front companies. This enables the funds from illicit activities to be obscured in legal transactions.
Asset Purchase – The purchase of assets with cash is a classic money laundering method. The major purpose is to change the form of the proceeds from conspicuous bulk cash to some equally valuable but less conspicuous form.

Layering – The purpose of this stage is to make it more difficult to detect and uncover a laundering activity. It is meant to make the trailing of illegal proceeds difficult for the law enforcement agencies. The known methods are:

Cash converted into Monetary Instruments – Once the placement is successful within the financial system by way of a bank or financial institution, the proceeds can then be converted into monetary instruments. This involves the use of banker’s drafts and money orders.
Material assets bought with cash then sold – Assets that are bought through illicit funds can be resold locally or abroad and in such a case the assets become more difficult to trace and thus seize.

Integration – This is the movement of previously laundered money into the economy mainly through the banking system and thus such monies appear to be normal business earnings. This is dissimilar to layering, for in the integration process detection and identification of laundered funds is provided through informants. The known methods used are:

Property Dealing – The sale of property to integrate laundered money back into the economy is a common practice amongst criminals. For instance, many criminal groups use shell companies to buy property; hence proceeds from the sale would be considered legitimate.
Front Companies and False Loans – Front companies that are incorporated in countries with corporate secrecy laws, in which criminals lend themselves their own laundered proceeds in an apparently legitimate transaction.
Foreign Bank Complicity – Money laundering using known foreign banks represents a higher order of sophistication and presents a very difficult target for law enforcement. The willing assistance of the foreign banks is frequently protected against law enforcement scrutiny. This is not only through criminals, but also by banking laws and regulations of other sovereign countries.
False Import/Export Invoices – The use of false invoices by import/export companies has proven to be a very effective way of integrating illicit proceeds back into the economy. This involves the overvaluation of entry documents to justify the funds later deposited in domestic banks and/or the value of funds received from exports.
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