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anyone work in universal credit? Migration question...

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Inbedbynine · 25/04/2019 19:44

Is there anyway to find out when I’m likely to be migrated into UC? We are one of the last areas and if there is a change that warrants it we will go on UC but I don’t envisage any changes. Iv been squirrelling money to try to make sure I have enough to cover the long wait. How can I find out roughly when this could be?

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quietheart · 27/04/2019 08:43

Does your Jobcentre not show up on Sept 2018? They have not started managed migration in the 2017 areas yet so I would think you are a long way off.

I too agree with never choosing to go on UC as there are constant changes to the legislation and only those who are on managed migration will have protection against being worse off.

unweavedrainbow · 27/04/2019 10:40

@Inbedbynine

I do welfare advice and I'm also disabled and on benefits. Potentially, it could be many many years til you're migrated. The government is notoriously bad at sticking to migration timetables-there are some people still claiming Incapacity Benefit who haven't been migrated to ESA even though ESA was introduced in 2008. I still get DLA even though PIP was introduced in 2010. The migration from DLA to PIP was supposed to be finished by 2015 but there's still thousands on DLA. These things always take much longer than they think.
On top of that, UC keeps getting stuck in the courts and in parliament and, with Brexit delaying things, it's never going to move quickly. I don't think that true managed migration is even going to start until 2020 at the earliest and might not be completed until 2030-or even later.
In terms of geographic migration, if you're a complex case-and disability benefits always make cases more complex-there's a good chance you'll be left till later anyway as they tend to leave complex cases till last. As others have said, whatever you do don't trigger migration to UC yourself You'll lose transitional protection and exactly how UC is going to play out for people claiming disability premiums is still in flux. You need to wait it out.
One key thing is that for households with disabled family members who go through managed migration there shouldn't be any financial gap or "long wait"-the payments switch should be pretty seamless. That's another reason not to force a move.
Try not to worry too much-potentially you could be worrying for many years and that's not a nice way to live.

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Inbedbynine · 27/04/2019 11:36

Sorry yes my mistake I forgot it was nearest job centre town! We are on there.

Nothing is simple is it! With a disabled dc my life will never be simple as he will probably be with me forever meaning my ‘career’ doesn’t exist and I’m stuck in a low paid low hours job. I worry also as I have a pension but it only has about £4K in it and I don’t earn enough to hVe spare money for a pension now and my work place don’t pay in as I work for a charity. The minimum wage just went up so the £20 I would make extra a month Iv put into a pension as it’s not money Iv ‘missed’ if you see what I mean starting this month. I really hope we are left late to be honest.

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unweavedrainbow · 27/04/2019 12:16

If he is severely disabled (I presume he is as you think he's going to need care in adulthood) then you'll get extra support when being switched over to make sure that everything goes smoothly. I would really try and put it on the back burner for now though. I would be really very surprised if mass migration is even started in the next few years, let alone finished-the legislation is in a bit of a mess and there's active court cases going on still. How old is your DS? How close is he to the DLA to PIP changeover? If that's due in the next 5 years or so there's a distinct possibility that that could come first.

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Inbedbynine · 27/04/2019 12:31

His dla has 3 years left on it... I don’t think he’ll get pip.

He may be independent and I hope he will be but I have to be prepared for the fact he may not and still be reliant on me.

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ChrisPrattAteMyHomework · 27/04/2019 12:35

Can I jump in and ask a question.

My friend has been put on UC. She was getting the basic £300ish

And provided evidence that she is ill and was told she qualifies for another £300 as she's not well enough to work.

But she's been told she won't get it for the first 3 months??

She can't live off 300 a month and was so relieved to get more but now she can't have the extra for 3 month

Anyone know why?

unweavedrainbow · 27/04/2019 14:53

@ Inbedbynine Why do you think he won't get PIP?

@ChrisPrattAteMyHomework There's a 3 month waiting period for the "sick premium" part of UC but it's dated from the day that a sick note is handed in to the DWP. In that 3 month period the assessment as to whether the person qualifies is made (not paying for this period means no overpayment is made) and also many people will still be on sick pay/SSP during that period and so the payments overlap. If your friend has been assessed as not well enough to work the 3 month period should have elapsed so it should be in payment now. Has she claimed any benefits before? Does she get PIP?

ChrisPrattAteMyHomework · 27/04/2019 14:55

She didn't have to go for an assessment. She just filled in the form and provided evidence and was awarded it without a face to face assessment.

She wants on anything previously and is going to apply for pip.

So she's only living off 300 until the extra payments are added next month

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Inbedbynine · 27/04/2019 15:13

@unweavedrainbow just because I hear nothing but bad news about pip and people not getting it. He has HFA amongst other things so not physically disabled and I don’t think he will get pip.

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MyDcAreMarvel · 27/04/2019 15:15

Unless you live in Harrogate it will be 2020 at the earliest.

MyDcAreMarvel · 27/04/2019 15:17

The chances of your ds getting pip at 16 are good, it’s the pip renewal age 18+ when it becomes more difficult.

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Inbedbynine · 27/04/2019 15:21

mydc how do you know that? Mind you we only have 8 months left of 2019!! GrinShock

Ok that makes me feel a bit better... I never understand why it isn’t 18 to change over anyway, especially as they have to stay in education!

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quietheart · 27/04/2019 15:57

Harrogate was one of the first areas to get UC and as I said in my post earlier the government have started the migration following the same geographical areas so by that model they have that full 2 years list of job centres to get to before yours Grin

MyDcAreMarvel · 27/04/2019 15:58

You mean about 2020? Because the pilot only starts in July in Harrogate.

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Inbedbynine · 27/04/2019 16:05

I meant how did you know it would be 2020. That makes sense. Well as much as anything to do with UC makes sense!

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MyDcAreMarvel · 29/04/2019 18:59

@Inbedbynine
Thought you may find this reassuring.

The current plan in Great Britain is that DWP will begin testing the managed migration process from July 2019 to July 2020 through a pilot. ... DWP's intention is to take remaining tax credit claimants (and other legacy benefit claimants) through the managed migration process between November 2020 and December 2023.

HelenaDove · 29/04/2019 19:20

"Overpay rent - if you’re social housing you can overpay directly to landlord and be a few weeks ahead"

WARNING Clarion and Sanctuary are in a hell of a mess with their IT systems and payments are getting lost / mislaid/misaattributed.

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Inbedbynine · 29/04/2019 19:22

mydc but I read that as I may well be the piolet between July 19 and July 19 OR I might be migrated between nov 2020 and December 2023..... which doesn’t shed any light? Or am I reading that wrong?

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MyDcAreMarvel · 29/04/2019 19:45

No the pilot is in Harrogate.

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Inbedbynine · 29/04/2019 20:39

Oh I see! Thank you! Where did you read about the dates for the other migration?

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Inbedbynine · 29/04/2019 20:43

If it’s true I could have at least 18 months before I need to worry and a year to then pay the squirrelled rent money back into credit cards!

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Inbedbynine · 30/04/2019 06:17

Great thank you for that, it’s really helped.

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