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Any benefits experts about please?

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TheFuckfaceWhisperer · 24/04/2019 17:57

My DS (19) is autistic and severely dyspraxic, with very poor muscle tone, he's been described as being "complex". He is getting PIP at the enhanced rate...

I want to get a motorbility car to take him around as his social anxiety is getting worse as he's getting older and more aware of the world.

My question is... The PIP next payment is due a week today, next Wednesday. How long should I leave it before signing up for the car so that the payments don't start until next time, as this month's is all spoken for (DDs birthday next week), plus I don't really want a months payment coming out for a car I won't even have yet? I know by Tuesday it will be pending in the bank for the next day, but if I went on Friday would that be too late for them to process it for the payment next week? Or should I leave it until next week?

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DuckWillow · 24/04/2019 18:02

It might be worth contact the Motability scheme people. They are very helpful about this kind of thing .

I’m just about to do the same and they couldn’t have been more helpful with regard to first payment etc.

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TheFuckfaceWhisperer · 24/04/2019 18:02

P.s I don't mean I use his money to get DD a birthday present! I just borrow from it until DP gets paid. And if you think if I'm juggling money we can't really afford a car, you'd be correct! But it's the only way to get him out if the house. I'm honestly so stressed at how to help him

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MyDcAreMarvel · 24/04/2019 18:04

Do you mean ds birthday next week?

MyDcAreMarvel · 24/04/2019 18:05

Sorry cross post.

NoBaggyPants · 24/04/2019 18:14

Are you your son's appointee?

I understand you're in a difficult financial situation but you absolutely should not be borrowing from it for however short a time. It's an abuse of your position and a safeguarding issue, however well meaning your intention.

NoBaggyPants · 24/04/2019 18:15

It being your son's savings.

MyDcAreMarvel · 24/04/2019 18:20

You will be able to afford the car as you can use your ds daily living element of pip for fuel. Everything else will be covered by mobility.
Is your ds closing ESA/UC for his daily living costs?
And as op says his pip does need to be kept separate from the household budget, he is an adult.

DuckWillow · 24/04/2019 18:24

She’s not “borrowing from it”, she’s likely his appointee as I am for my son.

OP getting onto the scheme takes time. I am about to join the scheme and the first payment won’t be taken until next month,

MyDcAreMarvel · 24/04/2019 18:34

DuckWillow the op said hereself she was borrowing it.
I am my adult daughters appointee and it cannot be borrowed from or used as household income.
It’s not the same as when someone may give up work to care for a disabled minor child and then has no choice but to use dla towards, for example a mortgage already committed to before knowing their child was disabled.

IcaMorgan · 24/04/2019 20:17

You wouldn’t start paying until the car arrives so if you ordered tomorrow it could be 6 months before you start paying depending on which car you go for as they are built to order

SnapesGreasyHair · 24/04/2019 20:24

The OP can class it as "rent" then can't she as it pays for her son to have a roof over his head.

MyDcAreMarvel · 24/04/2019 23:01

No, “rent” would come from esa as that’s for day to day needs, pip is for disability needs only. Goes against the rules of being an appointee.

QuickQuestion2019 · 25/04/2019 06:50

What does it actually matter if she paid it back within days? Talk about kicking someone when they are down. MM is ridiculous and sanctimonious sometimes.

SnapesGreasyHair · 25/04/2019 07:08

@MyDcAreMarvel - oh that's interesting. Where can l find a list of the rules? I will need to claim PIP for my son eventually so will be good to know l am using it correctly

Sosayi · 25/04/2019 07:23

Go to the Motobility website
Get an idea of the type of car you want and then how much the deposit will be
Some deposits are zero some can be over £3000
Depends on the make model and spec of the car
Occasionally they have the car in stock and you can get it within a week or son
If not then it will be ordered for you and can take up to three months
You don’t make a payment from PIP till the car arrives and you have signed for it
But you may have to pay the deposit or at least 50 percent of it when you order the car

stucknoue · 25/04/2019 07:30

Motorbility won't be set up that quickly. If you go in the next week to have a look I would be surprised if it's even sorted by next payment, check but I don't think the payment stops until you have the car, it then returns the day after the keys are returned (just done that bit). It's only the mobility element of pip that counts and that must be enhanced too - my autistic dd doesn't get it at enhanced (she does for care)

StillMedusa · 25/04/2019 07:48

Motorbility usually takes a few weeks at least..depends on the car you need (unadapted is quicker so shouldn't be long)
FWIW I am my adult son's appointee (also has autism dyspraxia and poor muscle tone) and it used for whatever benefits him.. his therapist, his interests (expensive theatre trips!) and also to help pay the water bill as his OCD means he takes a LOT of showers. There are no specific conditions to how it is used..only that it must be used for the benefit of the claimant. If I needed to use it to keep a roof over our heads I would!

CitadelsofScience · 25/04/2019 08:19

I fail to see how it's an abuse of money?
In our house we have one pot for my son who gets dla, when he has to claim pip I will have to be his appointee because he will never have an idea of how to manage money and it would all be spent on tat the day he got it.
Now as I said it all goes into one pot, I get the dla but there are times my husband will pay for the stuff my son needs from his bank account, we have separate accounts. So I will use what is technically his dla money forsomething for my daughter. Are you seriously suggesting that that is an abuse?
My life is filled to the rafters with stress right now as it is and I have no intention of fancying around and trying to balance the box because his needs are only to be bought from my bank account.

Sorry Op, that was nothing to do with what you asked but I find the idea bonkers.

PH03b3 · 25/04/2019 13:29

Bollocks that the op shouldn't use the funds as the family needs - no doubt the family would be much better off if it wasn't for these conditions so long as her son has what he needs.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 25/04/2019 13:35

My son's DLA is to fund the fact I can not work full time, as he needs me to be available. I need to work part time for him. He reduced my earnibg potential, meaning there is less money for him and his siblings. DLA helps bring that back to an even keel.
I was paying for his extra care needs regardless. I just don't need to use a credit card for it anymore 🤷.

Far too many idiots around at the moment.

OP, I can usually give benefits advice, but I am not able to accurately answer your specific query. Good luck sorting it out though.

Nat6999 · 25/04/2019 13:47

Due to Brexit lots of motability cars are taking around 12-14 weeks from ordering to delivery. I have recently had to order one as my PIP was reduced on reassessment down to standard & I had my car taken off me, I got it back on appeal. Unless a dealer has a car on their stock list you can expect to wait 12-14 weeks & payments don't start until your car is handed over to you. Go & look at some cars, have a test drive & see what there is available, even if the car is in stock it will take 1-2 weeks as the paperwork has to be done by the dealer & motability plus the car has to have its pre delivery inspection, be registered & taxed.

MrsCasares · 25/04/2019 14:12

My dsis was lucky. It only took her and her dh just over a week to order/pick up her motobility car (it had been ordered by someone else who was then refused higher rate PIP).

MyDcAreMarvel · 25/04/2019 16:19

My son's DLA is to fund the fact I can not work full time, as he needs me to be available. I need to work part time for him. He reduced my earnibg potential, meaning there is less money for him and his siblings. DLA helps bring that back to an even keel.
And that’s fine because your ds is a child. There are different rules if you are an appointee for an adult regarding safeguarding of vulnerable adults.

notapizzaeater · 25/04/2019 16:30

Our car took 7 weeks - much quicker than we'd anticipated- payments started from the next payment.

DuckWillow · 25/04/2019 16:52

At the moment I am appointee for my son, he needs considerable support still at 16. The PIP (enhanced care) goes in the pot and allows me to give him lots of 1-1 time. I haven’t been able to work for the last five years and DLA (and now PIP) meets my son’s disability needs (for support and help) entirely,

He is going to a supported college course in September, as he progresses I will be allocating more and more of the PIP to him to help him learn about budgeting (a skill he currently lacks) and hope to progress to him learning to budget over a week,

At some point once he is capable the PIP payment will go into his bank account. Until then it goes in the pot and enables me to give proper support to him.