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If you are a lecturer who is not gender critical

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NappyDisco · 27/03/2019 09:11

Would you use the word TERF in class?
Or would you find the term rude? I don't want an argument and I don't want this to become a trans thread. So please no one have a pop either way. Just curuous about the specific circumstances in the OP

Thanks

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NappyDisco · 28/03/2019 21:48

Seems reasonable to me

www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

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NappyDisco · 28/03/2019 21:54

I asked a perfectly reasonable, POLITE question. I am not transphobic and do not deserve to be called transphobic.

I disagree that woman is a feeling because I do not feel that feeling.

I could as easily call a transperson who says woman is a feeling "womanphobic".

They are saying I do not exist as a woman.
I am by their definition non binary now. Am I really not allowed to question that? .

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GCAcademic · 28/03/2019 22:02

Try it with "race critical", and see how you fare.

What an appallingly racist comment. You believe that a black person is different to a white person in the same way or to the same extent that a male person is different to a female person? Just, wow.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 28/03/2019 22:03

Imo the use of the word terf, is an attempt to dehumanise the person being called a terf.

justicewomen · 28/03/2019 23:17

I will consider it legally but as this has not tested in court it is my opinion only and one should get legal advice.

One's philosophical opinion can be regarded (if they fit the test in a case called Grainger v Nicolson ) as a protected characteristic(PC) in the Equality Act under "religion and belief" and that may well include non belief that a person of one sex can determine that they have changed their sex. In the circumstances it would be unlawful (actionable in the county court) to discriminate against or harass someone because of their PC in certain contexts, which would include further and higher education (the institution being vicariously liable for the actions of their staff). See s10 and 91 Equality Act 2010.

Six month time limit for bringing claim. Legal aid available for discrimination by contacting Legal Aid Helpline on 03453454345

NappyDisco · 29/03/2019 10:32

Not going to elaborate then carpet?

You used your chance to get a dig in, but even you realise you're not making sense now. Or you meant what you said and just posted something incredibly racist

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NappyDisco · 29/03/2019 10:35

Justicwomen thank you, I'll complain but wont go any further than that. I have enough to worry about at the moment! I just hope other students aren't feeling similarly stifled.

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sackrifice · 29/03/2019 20:24

Try it with "race critical", and see how you fare.

It's a great example. Do I think a white person should be able to dress up as a black person, apply for jobs and then declare they are being discriminated against when they do not get that job due to them being 'black'?

No I do not.

NappyDisco · 29/03/2019 20:35

I don't think they're coming back.

I got my answer though. Yes they will use the term because politeness and logic aren't necessary to TRA agendas.

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BiologyNotBigotry · 29/03/2019 20:51

Surely the race equivalent of gender critical would be racial stereotyping critical? Pretty sure it's not ok to stereotype someone based on their race/skin colour... /reproductive organs...?!

RunningWild12 · 29/03/2019 21:09

I started an Masters course. Head of course banged on about being a post structuralist and how sex work was work, to say otherwise was to deny women’s agency.
She lost her heid when contemplating a wholly imaginary situation wherein David Harvey, a Marxist academic, might be Invited to speak on campus. She said she’d do everything in her power to make sure that didn’t happen. Now, I mean, disagree with what the man says. Argue against him. He doesn’t advocate violence against anyone, he might hold views you disagree with. But to get quite so incandescent with rage that he might be allowed to speak on campus struck me as bloody weird.
I left the course.

CatandtheFiddle · 29/03/2019 23:25

RunningWild your mention of David Harvey sent me to google him - his work looks fascinating. Why would ANY academic worth her PhD want to censor and silence him?

Unless you're a right wing neo-liberal. In which case you either argue your case, or you're so rich, you stop working as a scholar, because anyone who wants to silence other people's ideas is not a scholar.

RunningWild12 · 30/03/2019 09:13

CatandtheFiddle yes, I know! It was a really bizarre reaction. Just...odd.

I’ve read Harvey’s work on Marx and about cities. He does online videos introducing people to Marx’s Capital. Interesting stuff. No one has to agree with it!

donquixotedelamancha · 30/03/2019 09:26

Lol at "gender critical does not equal transphobic". Try it with "race critical", and see how you fare.

The opposite of race critical is racist. There is no scientific basis to race theory. Humans don't have subspecies- the belief in race is entirely a social construct.

To be gender critical is not to ignore the effect of gender. It is believe that humans do not objectively have specific Genders (whether 2 or 64) and that these fixed Genders are an expression of sex stereotypes.

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