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Very very very late ESA appeal.

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MadCatEnthusiast · 18/03/2019 14:28

I’m in a bit of a predicament and I’m not sure how to handle it.

As previous posts of mine might explain, I’m a disabled person who uses a wheelchair pretty much full time. I go to university at the most 3x a week.

I applied for ESA in Sept 2017 because I knew I would struggle just surviving with my day to day on my PIP.

However because I’m an EU citizen, I had to pass the habitual residence test. Now I’ve been living in the UK since I was 9. My parents split up shortly after coming into the UK and I’ve been living with my mum. I was estranged from my dad as well until the last year or so.

My mum was a worker for a year of us being here until my health deteriorated and she couldn’t continue working. Because of this, she never received her permanent residence document. DWP based my application on my mother and deemed me not a habitual residence despite me showing school records etc.

However, my dad was a permanent resident soon after us coming here because my parents had a long distance relationship for a while but because we were estranged, I never knew. I assumed that as a family we were all the same.

Anyways so I failed the HRT because the application was based off of my mum’s residency. I had a mandatory reconsideration but same answer. Dad was on the system but they didn’t look.

I then became sick and more ill clinically and just left the application as it is - I regret doing so!. After 6-7 months, I applied for my permanent residency after contacting my father and finding all of that out.

I call DWP and then they tell me “yeah bring the document in and we’ll have a look at it”. I do that and get no response. My mum calls up, with her limited English, and asked what’s up. They told her that the mandatory consideration couldn’t be changed and she, as my appointee, needed to file an appeal.

We didn’t. I was ill and trying to focus on my health and also my PIP appeals which was a battle in itself. My mum, being my appointee, knows limited English so she couldn’t file an appeal for me. She did try and explain that but they weren’t helpful.

Now, I had to file my appeal myself since I was struggling with money as it is. I did so but it was 13 months+ late probably by just a few months.

Do you reckon I could get this late appeal in with this info? My medication codeine, gabapentin makes me drowsy and I can’t file anything in that state. My mother’s lack of English did make this situation harder as well.

All I’m trying to do is get my ESA backdated because I should have got it as I was a permanent residence by default after living in the UK by virtue of my father having permanent residency. The document wasn’t needed, as the gov.uk says eu citizens do not need a document stating their residence status.

Have we bungled this 😓

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MadCatEnthusiast · 18/03/2019 15:02

Any idea? I really want to get this over and done with before UC takes over because I know I’ll be a lot worse off with UC. I tried to reapply for ESA but I wasn’t allowed to whilst this ESA case was still open.

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ChristineBaskets · 18/03/2019 15:39

Hi OP. I too made a very very late appeal after an unsuccessful mandatory consideration request, though mine was for pip. I made my appeal with help from Fightback4Justice. I could theoretically have done the appeal myself but did not have the self-motivation and so they were invaluable.

My reason for the delay was that I found the whole process incredibly stressful to the detriment of my illness and had been putting it to one side in order not to face it. I thought this was a pathetic excuse but it was accepted and my appeal was granted without having to attend a tribunal. I received back pay and my award was reinstated. I was elated, not only because of the money, but because I was finally believed.

I hope you are lucky with your appeal too.

JanMeyer · 18/03/2019 16:45

Christine - How did Fightback4Justice help with your appeal? Do they help people with putting evidence together for tribunals for example and explaining why you think the assessment report is wrong? Or are they more about providing advice rather than directly helping?
I'm asking because I'm attempting to help a family member through a PIP appeal right now, and help locally is non-existent, only CAB and they are worse than useless. So I'm trying to find anything that might be remotely helpful for them.

ChristineBaskets · 18/03/2019 17:20

I had a phone interview with a lady at fb4j where she went through everything. She identified areas where I qualified for points that had been missed by myself and the assessor who visited me from dwp. She filled in the appeal form and then sent it to me for signing.

I also suspect that when the dwp see that you are represented by an organisation like fb4j (there are others) they pull their socks up and start paying attention to your case.

JanMeyer · 18/03/2019 17:54

That's helpful to know, thanks for answering my question. Smile

MadCatEnthusiast · 18/03/2019 18:00

Was that for free? I see some paid plans on the website. If so, I’ll try them out. It’s annoying when the DWP knew who my dad is but based my claim on my mother’s residency!

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ChristineBaskets · 18/03/2019 18:26

No I did pay for the service, think it was £50 -£100 then I also paid them a percentage of the award when I received it. They also have some free information, plus a paid membership that gives you access to more detailed information and a messageboard if you want to do it yourself.

Babyroobs · 18/03/2019 18:41

UC is already all over the country. No doubt if you apply for that you will face the hrt again.

MadCatEnthusiast · 18/03/2019 18:56

UC is already all over the country. No doubt if you apply for that you will face the hrt again

Yeah, that's true but I'll pass it this time as I have the documents/can apply for settled status but at the time, I didn't. I know I'll be worse off as I am a student as well so would like to get this appeal through asap before I am forced to go through UC.

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Princecharlesfirstwife · 18/03/2019 19:28

I'm not sure i understand why your ESA claim is still open if you had a MR and didn't subsequently appeal - surely it would have been closed? And even if you were appealing a previous decision it shouldn't stop you making a new ESA claim.

That aside, i would send a late appeal to HMCTS and state your reasons for it being late (outside the 13 months) - it's up to them whether they accept it or not; even if they didn't you could then appeal to the Upper Tribunal.

MadCatEnthusiast · 18/03/2019 19:52

I was still, for some reason, made to send sick notes so that might be a reason? Honestly I’m not sure either.

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AnotherEmma · 18/03/2019 19:55

Please go to your local Citizens advice (if you have one), they can help you for free. Resources and expertise can vary but at mine there are benefits specialists who help with ESA and PIP appeals. They help with paperwork and can sometimes represent you at tribunal. They will assess your case first to see if it's worth a shot.

MadCatEnthusiast · 18/03/2019 20:27

Please go to your local Citizens advice (if you have one), they can help you for free.

I'll pop down there some time soon. I have 2 weeks from the 12th of March to send a letter stating why I have appealed late so I hope they can help me quickly.

If not, I'll be honest and tell them I've been really unwell and also mentioning my mother's English.

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AnotherEmma · 18/03/2019 21:15

Appointments can get booked up so try to call or email if you can't visit soon.

MadCatEnthusiast · 28/04/2019 12:59

Update:
I got my ESA! The DWP decided to change their decision before the judge looked at it after I sent a letter with my dad's information and cited EU law.

Backdated from Sept 2017 as well.

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ChristineBaskets · 28/04/2019 15:14

Fantastic op! It's a wonderful feeling isn't it, not just because of the money but because it makes you feel vindicated. Thanks for updating!

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