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Anyone got ant good fermented vegetables recipes?

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Meretricious · 19/02/2019 05:05

I made sauerkraut and it is very good. I’d like to try other veg but I’m not sure of the brining ratios....

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Skittlesandbeer · 19/02/2019 05:44

I ferment loads of veg, and I must say the ratios aren’t that important. I’ve never had a batch go bad, or be too salty. Whatever you used for sauerkraut is fine.

My tip is try cauliflower next, it stays crunchy. And if you want something fun, put a couple of (organic) red cabbage leaves in on top of the brine. It adds the right bacteria and colours the cauliflower pink!

There are some terrific fermenting books around nowadays, if you want precise ‘recipies’, but it’s not like baking. The mechanics of it (using a crock or water-lock jar, the weather, weighing down the veg under the brine) are more important than the quantities. Happy fermenting!

Igneococcus · 19/02/2019 06:03

I ferment a lot, sauerkraut, kimchi, never tried cauliflower but will give that a try. My favourite is green beans.
Really easy is fermented turnip. Peel and cut into sticks, put into a jar, add a few sticks of beetroot for colour, pour over 20 g/450 ml salt solution weigh down the top (those plastic inserts you can find in some gherkin jars are very useful for that), let it ferment for a few days. I use a few spoon full of the liquid from the previous batch as an inoculum but it's not necessary.

JellySlice · 19/02/2019 06:20

I've got my first ever jar of homemade sauerkraut fermenting on top of the kitchen cupboard right now. I love the idea of pink cauliflower! Why must the cabbage be organic?

Can brine-pickles be rinsed and used as regular veg, in a stew, say, or do they retain the salt?

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MadauntofA · 19/02/2019 06:36

I have tried sauerkraut a few times, but it is always too salty. I have tried a couple of recipes but they were American with cups type of measurements.Do you use 20g/450mls for all ferments? How long do you leave it to ferment?

Igneococcus · 19/02/2019 07:04

I use 20g/450 ml for all the vegetables that get put into the brine, for Sauerkraut I do about 20 g per 1000 g of cabbage.
You need a certain concentration of salt to prevent spoilage bacteria to grow before the lactic acid bacteria had a chance to drop the pH.

JellySlice · 19/02/2019 07:36

What about juicy vegetables, like cucumbers? Can they just be salted, like cabbage? Do they create their own brine?

Igneococcus · 19/02/2019 07:43

Juicy vegetables will change the salt concentration of the brine via osmosis, which is why I use a brine that has twice the salt concentration than the concentration that I use for the cabbage. I'm not sure this makes sense, it does for me, but not sure I explain it well. I don't use brine at all for cabbage, the brine gets created by drawing the water out of the cabbage with the salt and kneading.
I have never fermented cucumbers but if I would I'd use the brine method, the water from the cucumbers will dilute the brine.

JellySlice · 19/02/2019 08:05

There's a whole new salty world to explore out there!

gudrunandtheseeress · 19/02/2019 08:06

Kimchi.

MadauntofA · 19/02/2019 08:21

Thanks Igneo, I'll try again. I adore kimchi but DH complains about the smell every time I buy some!!

TeddyIsaHe · 19/02/2019 08:23

The Noma guide to fermentation is a great book for all ferment knowledge.

I’ve just made lacto-fermented blueberries and they are amazing. Pickles radishes are addictive also

Meretricious · 19/02/2019 12:08

Thanks all. I’ve found a Lakeland recipe for pickled ginger and carrots so I’ll give that a go. Love the pink cauliflower idea and pickled radishes.

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Igneococcus · 19/02/2019 12:14

I absolutely love the suggestion of putting red cabbage in with the cauliflower. It would serve as a pH indicator as well, you would know the pH has dropped.
Yes, raddishes, I forgot about them. I fermented some when we had a glut that we couldn't possibly eat in time and they were delicious in salads.

BabyCowUsesPotty · 19/02/2019 12:21

Is there a good book or simple website anyone would recommend? Or even a kit for what to ferment in?
I had a go at sauerkraut but it went mouldy.

TeddyIsaHe · 20/02/2019 05:34

@BabyCowUsesPotty search for ‘It’s Alive’ by Bon Appetit on YouTube. It’s reallly informative and I find it hilarious. Covers all basic ferments.

SummersB · 20/02/2019 05:42

Oh wow I’m going to try making something pickled soon!

Skittlesandbeer · 22/02/2019 22:16

The bible for fermenting is called ‘The Art of Fermentation’ by Sandor Katz (great name, right?!).

It does have recipes, but goes far further. All the science, the history and culture around fermented foods. It’s pretty hardcore, but it’s a ‘go to’ when things go wrong with my ferments. Almost every bookshop now has a shelf of pretty fermenting books, but I go with hippy rather than hipster. Spend your money on a good crock, and a tiny bar fridge to store your ferments (once you decant them into normal jars).

To answer a question further up thread, I only ferment with organic veggies so that the natural bacteria on the leaves/stalks/florets forms the basis of the ferment ‘juice’. You can add some organic cabbage (outer) leaves to non-organic veg I suppose, to get the benefits. I think it’s called ‘wild’ fermentation. You can buy ferment ‘starters’ instead or add some ferment juice from an older batch to get things going but it homogenises the results I think.

If it’s a cost thing, I get my organic cabbage leaves (red & green) from a very posh and pricey hand-curated biodynamic blah blah shop. I get them totally free, out of the back door from the staff! Their compost leaves are my magic ingredient!

Skittlesandbeer · 22/02/2019 22:56

Oh, and my best tips for fermenting?

-don’t assume the strong smell when you open your ferments means it’s gone bad. Give it a bit of time/air. Once you’ve smelt a properly ‘gone bad’ batch there’ll be no doubt at all Envy. If it smells even close to being edible, then it is. There can be some yukky-looking stuff floating about on the top, that is actually fine to remove and eat what’s beneath. Learn which is good or bad.

-don’t choose a container-style (crock,water-lock jar, kit,etc) until you have figured out where they will sit to ferment. They need a cool, dark, dry spot. That’s actually tricky in most houses/attics/sheds. If you have the perfect spot, then glass jars are fine. Thick (opaque) pottery jars are better for warmer spots (or summer). Autumn & spring are best for success.

-add something tannic to your ferments to keep things crunchy (gherkins, beans, etc). Traditionally grape leaves and oak leaves. They make a good ‘lid’ to keep veggies submerged, also. Don’t eat those leaves.

-be careful with sterilising your equipment. It’s bacteria you want. Don’t use products that keep killing bacteria long afterwards on surfaces. By all means use heat, elbow-grease and good food-handling techniques.

-ferments aren’t ‘set & forget’. They need watching, sniffing and listening skills. There will be an initial period of ‘nothing’, then lots of activity (bubbles, hissing, fragrance), then it will subside and tick on at a slower rate. When it’s where you want it (taste/colour/crunch) then it needs to be stored in jars/Tupperware in the fridge, where the temperature will halt (or nearly) the rate of fermentation. The tricky part is that opening it to taste it lets air and other bacteria (mold,fungi) into the mix. If you keep a diary of what you did, when and what happened with that batch, it helps you learn when to risk opening it and when to leave it alone. A good recipe guides you on this, rather than just saying ‘leave it 2 weeks’ or whatever.

-once you have great ferments (or buy them), remember not to heat them before eating. They are alive! I do plonk some on top of curries/soups etc, or to the side of cooked meat. I just eat them more carefully (don’t submerge them, not on piping hot food). My friend who hates ‘pickle’ tastes, whizzes a tablespoon into her smoothie. I regularly shred some through tepid food like fried rice or taco filling. Even a teaspoon of the juice contains crazy amounts of goodness, and can be hidden anywhere.

-the health evidence is coming in thick and fast about ferments. Obviously great for anything in your digestive system (counters all the bad bacteria we let in with junk food, alcohol, etc). Also very good for general immunity. Surprisingly, respiratory resilience is a top one. Its turned my families health around. Some evidence it helps kids born by c-section (who didn’t score mum’s mature bacteria mix in the birth canal). Now, it’s not a ‘medicine’ so much as a long-term way of strengthening yourself. And don’t take medical advice from internet strangers, hey?! But I will say I’m a researcher by trade, and my experiments on myself have impressed my GP no end!

SummersB · 23/02/2019 15:44

Skittles that’s a really helpful post, thank you!

User5trillion · 28/02/2019 19:29

Inspired by this thread I have some red cabbage fermenting and pink hands😂

Will try radishes next and carrot and ginger sounds interesting.

Meretricious · 01/03/2019 07:16

Glad someone was inspired. I’ve got some red cabbage fermenting and just had some of the last batch with an omelette this morning.

I was going to try this recipe blog.lakeland.co.uk/recipe/fermented-carrot-ginger/

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MadauntofA · 02/03/2019 13:14

Would you use the 20g salt ratio for red cabbage sauerkraut as well? Also how long to leave out before you test it?

Meretricious · 02/03/2019 17:13

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/simple-sauerkraut
This worked for me. Test after fiv3 days and see if tangy enough...

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MadauntofA · 02/03/2019 17:17

Thanks Mere, I'll try that

seaweedhead · 02/03/2019 18:53

My top tip is don't try to ferment garlic. DP went through a phase of experimental fermenting after reading about how good fermented food is for your gut bacteria. The garlic stank the house out for a week.