P&C vs Disabled parking on local FB...

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OMG. I have just come across a "P&C spaces at the supermarket" thread on FB and I am AGOG at some of the posts on it. There is some general chat about how annoying it is when non P&C people use them (fair enough, it is).

Then some of the usual assumptions that shops have to provide P&C near the entrances (er, no).

Then THIS, said completely seriously and unironically....

"[P&C Spaces] are close to the shop so you aren’t walking with young children through a busy carpark. Actually disabled spaces could be moved further away - disabled people often campaign for this. Mostly they need extra space, not to be near entrance. Then the spaces would be less desirable to be punched by lazy selfish people. Parent and child spaces are the ones that need to be near entrance. I never fail to be amazed by people ignorance."

Well, I agree with her last sentence!

Wow that is some kind of stupid.

Less ignorance all round would be a start.

I have been looking for all these campaigns by disabled people to have their legally provided spaces moved further away, but no luck yet. None of my blue badge holder family or friends have ever mentioned that idea in passing either

The poster who write that does seem excessively angry.
I can imagine her posting and then getting her entitled arse handed to her on AIBU quite easily

Disabled people campaign for their spaces to be further away?

She is right about ignorance though.

I hope she got suitably shot down

It's a mix of relatively restrained disagreeing and some implied support.

I am too angry at her disgusting bullshit comments to even consider posting right now, but I may return to it later. Or I might just block her and forget people like her exist.

well it goes to show you some people are beyond stupid.
the selfishness of some able bodied parents astounds me.

Go on suggest she posts her great idea on mumsnet to get support ......

As someone whose DW has to use a wheelchair, I pretty much agree with this:

Actually disabled spaces could be moved further away - disabled people often campaign for this. Mostly they need extra space, not to be near entrance. Then the spaces would be less desirable to be punched by lazy selfish people.

for us it's the space around the car - you need to be able to open the door fully and guide a wheelchair down the side.

The best design of disabled parking I ever saw was in an ASDA in Cornwall a few years ago. They had laid the car park out so that although the disabled bays were directly in front of the store you had to drive all around the car park to get to them - they were last in line (so to speak).

All of which being said, we are just one example with our needs - others may vary.

However, not quite sure about this :

Parent and child spaces are the ones that need to be near entrance.

need ? When we had DS, the P&C were a godsend because - again - you wanted to be able to open the doors completely to safely get child seat out - distance from store was pretty irrelevant. But (again) that's our experience.

What would help is if they made all the spaces bigger, to match the way cars appear to have grown these past decades .....

Most blue badge holders probably don’t use a wheelchair though, or not all the time. They would massively struggle with spaces being at the far end of the car park. It could be the difference between someone being able to go out and not

I bloody hate it when lazy, selfish people punch parking spaces.

Must hurt their hand.

Most blue badge holders probably don’t use a wheelchair though, or not all the time. They would massively struggle with spaces being at the far end of the car park. It could be the difference between someone being able to go out and not

Highlighting that - as with anything - a one size fits all approach not only doesn't work, but can end up helping none . (I did caveat that I was commenting specifically, not generally ....)

That said, we vaguely return to whether there's a need for P&C spaces to be near a door or just wider ?

Another belter on the thread. The irony...

"perhaps common decency should come into play and people would think about those who may struggle with more children/shopping/buggies etc."

I use a wheelchair full time and an entirely reliant on getting a disabled parking space when out. If I can't get one of the disabled spaces I quite literally am trapped in my car until one becomes available.

That comment isn't entirely wrong. Myself and other wheelchair users I know have agreed that a small percentage of spaces moved to the back of the car Park would be beneficial.

Disabled parking is so widely and regularly abused that I'd happily park at the very back of the car park if it meant self serving asshats didn't use them.

I've never heard of any campaigns for this though. And of course, mine and a handful of others opinion don't represent the majority of disabled people.

As a bb holder I need to be close to the store. I hardly get out as it is, but when I am able to, being close is safest for me.
I wish I was on this group op, I’d hand their arses to them on a silver platter. Fucking ignorance of some people.

I got abused recently when my friend parked in a child space and I got out with my walker and headed slowly towards the shop (no bb spaces available).
Woman went mad at me because we had the last space in the p&c area. Apparently people like me shouldn’t be using spaces that people like her need, it’s a p&c space not a space.
I was so happy when I was able to calmly retort that a) being a parent is a choice so she isn’t entitled to any damn p&c space, b) I can use my blue badge in a courtesy space as the company who owns the car park allows it and c) look over to the car- yeah, that’s my friend getting my child out of the car... windows are darker in the back so you can’t see in, and ds was sleeping when we pulled in. Also made sure to tell her she was doing an amazing job teaching her children to discriminate against people with disabilities and hopefully they wouldn’t end up like her.
Stupid bitch. Made a note of her number plate just in case and carried on into the shop.

Oh!!!! Come on, own up... which one of you went on there and mentioned Mumsnet!