Middle Class / Upper Middle Class

[Beaniebeemer]

What’s the difference?

I don't agree with Patchworkpatty either. I'm as middle class as they come but don't fit any of that list.

My kids have a nanny, a grandma and a granny. They eat lunch and then tea later in the day. Does that make them classless ha ha?

I do find class very interesting and yet I am also frustrated that what someone calls their evening meal should be even relevant in 2019!

UMC are born to married professional parents in their 30s whose families were known to each other before they met. Their birth is announced in the Times. They spend more time with nanny than mum or dad and are on the list of an old public school their parent and grandparent went to from early.

They board from 8 or 11/13 if they have progressive parents.

They tie their hair with ribbons not bands and the boys wear short trousers only.

They learn to ride and ski from age 4. They will have 2-4 siblings. Their inheritance will have been put in a trust.

Not only will they always vote Tory they are likely to be on first name terms with their MP.

This is bollocks though, a wc person could fit the mc or upper class descriptions.
It is very funny though. I'm really poor wc but come out um and upper for some things.
Maybe I'm just classless/ wc

Exercise
Working class- do Joe Wicks
Middle class- go spinning
Upper class- private members of Tracy Anderson club

It’s all an illusion

It’s upper then everyone else
Upper now includes the obscenely wealthy oligarchs

Our obsession with class is what holds us back from rebellion and land and riches redistribution

You can provide all the lists you like, but it really is so much greater than the sum of its parts.

It takes more than a generation to jump class

No. Upper class does NOT include obscenely wealthy oligarchs. The upper class are polite to obscenely wealthy oligarchs so they will buy a table at the fundraiser. They look down on them when they are not around for being vulgar. You cannot buy class. You cannot be demoted to middle class just because you run out of money.
You can be upper class and run a clean, tidy household. But generally you would have a clean, tidy London home and a slightly less pristine country home. You would never have just one home.

Accent?

Upper now includes the obscenely wealthy oligarchs

It really doesn't. Arriveste, new money 'flash' behaviour is disliked by UC in the UK. You can't buy your way into lineage and established social circles.

I used to work for the UC - they're more likely to value the opinion/company of their domestic staff or gardener than some instantly wealthy, flashing the cash type.

You can't buy class.

X post with Mabel!

Upper now includes the obscenely wealthy oligarchs

UC is landed/titled gentry. It's a tiny, virtually impenetrable cohort. You get in by marrying in (and even then, you're not really in). Not by being obscenely wealthy, let alone an oligarch.

The old classes are still there

Everyone knows where they fit in, apart from the MC who get excited, thinking shopping at Waitrose, and calling their child Archie makes them "posh"

Only MC people get worked up about class

“Hyacinth was middle class. Her sister Violet (swimming pool, sauna, room for a pony) was upper middle class.”
No- this is what Hyacinth thought. That’s the point of the rather snobbish and unpleasant show- all 3 sisters were solidly working class despite their efforts.....

Oh no you can jump down much faster than that.

Pmsl, true.

Lower middle-basically working class but with more money which they over spend on flashy things to prove they aren’t working class (anymore)
Middle middle-slightly educated (probably thinks that Jane Austen is intellectual reading) but not very elegant (will have afore mentioned flashy things) and subscribes to herd mentality (will vote depending on what most people in their social circle vote, have no qualms about sending children to state schools, likely to be an emotional remainer if young, will follow trends religiously).
Upper middle-well educated, will openly have their own opinions (regardless of whether they are mainstream or not), not very interested in trends/class markers, will likely have a filthy car/house because they can’t be arsed cleaning but can’t afford to have full time/regular staff like they did growing up (which makes it worse because they’re really messy as a result), cannot resist occasionally sneering at middle middle classes. Speaks RP instead of local accent.

@SparkiePolastri some of the oligarchy comes from old families who failed to escape in time. A surprising number aristocratic families/families with connections to court managed to survive the soviet era by concealing their origins, especially in the territories that were annexed after the revolution, and some of those saw their opportunity towards the end of the period and set themselves up to profit from the collapse. Most of them are horribly lower class even by soviet era standards though. Hasn’t stopped the institutions that once catered to the UC setting their sights on oligarchs instead.

@sarahandduck a lot of the upper middle class prefer to marry early and no one does lists from birth anymore, sadly it confers no advantage.

I do love a class thread especially on a dull Monday morning.

What I love even more is the misinformation bandied about because people don't understand what class actually is

These threads enrage me. They're all about how middle class people are desperately shallow and obsessed with looks, while actual bona fide posh people are all hilarious, gloriously unpretentious and straight from the pages of Jilly Cooper.

Bullingdon Club anyone? Jacob Rees Mogg?

I'm middle class and grew up in a shit tip. I blame Channel 4 for all these adorable sweary aristocrats becoming national treasures.

Most mn users are middle class. How we end up with long threads mocking middle class people is a mystery. What class are all of you people?

What class are all of you people?

I have genuinely never known which class I fit into. Grew up in poverty/foster care, adopted at 10 by well-off folks with ponies and holiday homes, both parents university educated, went to university and gained first class degree, own home without a mortgage, two spaniels, two DC, DH owns a good business, holiday home abroad. I tick boxes for lower (childhood) and middle (adulthood).

However, I also swear like a sailor, will often eat an entire tube of Pringles by myself and put lemonade into my red wine when DH isn't looking, so suspect I'm solidly lower class despite the efforts of my parents and DH.

I'm working class and proud. Altho not worked for over 5 years as can afford not to.