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Are Men Responsible for 100% of unwanted pregnancies?

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WhiteOrange · 30/01/2019 13:57

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/abortion-pregnancy-pro-lifeukk5ba20e08e4b046313fc0bda5?guccounter=1&gucereferrerrus=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&gucereferrerr_cs=diez5GxKpFxh0EQCiIG3IAo

I've just read the above link content...

What do you think? I feel like she makes a decent argument:

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ComtesseDeSpair · 30/01/2019 14:05

Of course they aren’t and her argument just denied that women have agency in their decisions. Well sure, scientifically and being very reductive about the technicalities, yes it’s sperm that causes pregnancy. But both parties are responsible for contraception and if you can’t discuss contraception you shouldn’t be having sex.

I can also count on one hand among my female friends the number who like using condoms, so she’s wrong there.

ExplodedPeach · 30/01/2019 14:07

There is so much wrong with that article I don't even know where to start.

ExplodedPeach · 30/01/2019 14:15

Many women don't like condoms.

Women have far more to gain from not becoming pregnant, so of course the bar for acceptable side effects is higher for women than men. There is no medical advantage to not getting a woman pregnant for a man, it's a huge advantage for a woman.

Condoms are not always effective.

Women can get pregnant from pre-cum, or if men pull out. It's bullshit to say that a man's orgasm is "necessary".

Plenty of men have to deal with the consequences of unwanted pregnancies. Paying child maintenance, the end of their relationships, I could go on. Plus sometimes it's the woman who doesn't want the pregnancy, not the man...

Vasectomies are not "totally reversible" and have plenty more side effects than the author makes out. This point alone makes it clear she's either ignorant as shit or is being deliberately misleading.

This kind of thing is EXACTLY why feminists get branded as "man haters" and it doesn't help women at all.

Casmama · 30/01/2019 14:29

I think some of her arguments are overly simplistic to the point of being misleading in some cases.
However, she makes quite an important point. Women always have to deal with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy whether that be the risks of pregnancy and birth or the process of an abortion.

Many men can cause an unwanted pregnancy and skip off into the lie yonder not even knowing about it or having to take responsibility.

I think to focus on protesters outside abortion clinics and the grief that they give women is valid. To ask them to consider that men are responsible too is a point worth making. The implication that women are not to blame is an overextension of the argument I think but meant to shock and make people think.

Puggles123 · 30/01/2019 14:36

That’s one of the most ridiculous articles.

ExplodedPeach · 30/01/2019 15:12

I also think it's incredibly unfair to blame men for "skipping off and not even knowing about an unwanted pregnancy". As is pointed out on many other threads, a pregnancy is a woman's private medical information, to be shared or not as she sees fit.

Redglitter · 30/01/2019 15:14

What a lot of absolute garbage she's spouting

PinkGin24 · 30/01/2019 16:33

What an idiot. Though to be fair I have heard similar stupid arguements spouted by people on Mumsnet.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 30/01/2019 16:58

Obviously she's taking her argument to extremes to make her point, but I think there are some valid points here.
Women do have to deal with the consequence of Pg. Society does not hold men to account in the same way. How many women struggle to get child support? How many have total responsibility for their child? Fathers aren't forced to actively parent - they can and do frequently walk away. Yet you see women having to juggle childcare and work.

I've never heard anti abortionists hold men to account for why women are having abortions, yet they are 50% of the reason that Pg exists.

user1493413286 · 30/01/2019 17:21

I think she has a point about the pill causing a lot of side effects that men wouldn’t put themselves through.
It does miss the point that women have a role to play too and choices when it comes to sex. I don’t think of condoms as only a mans contraceptive; obviously women can access them too and can say they’ll only have sex using one.
Also a man who removes a condom or doesn’t pull out when agreed is a particularly abusive piece of work and hopefully not the norm.
I agree with the concept of the article of preventing unwanted pregnancies but it’s obviously not always that simple

upaladderagain · 30/01/2019 18:03

Don’t men cause 100% of wanted pregnancies too?
Totally misses point...

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