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Would you try for a third child in these circumstances (older Mum and frozen embryos)

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encoreunefois2019 · 24/01/2019 14:24

Long post about whether to have a 3rd child AND what to do with frozen embryos.

I have a 6 year old conceived via IVF and a 2.75yr sibling who was a natural conception. Between the two children we lost two pregnancies each in the first trimester - one was a frozen embryo and the other some months later was a natural conception.

The IVF was stressful despite the wonderful outcome and the two miscarriages were very difficult. The pregnancy with my youngest son was very fraught as a result as I feared it too would end in a loss.

We still have two embryos in storage. They are from our one and only fresh IVF cycle that gave us our eldest six years ago. We used one other frozen embryo from this cycle when trying for a sibling but that ended in early miscarriage.

I just don’t know what to do with the remaining two. They are both blastocysts (quite developed embryos) and of decent quality on grading (not that is always a sign that they would be successful of course).

My husband is very happy to stick with two children. He is also willing to have a third if it's what I really want but accepts with some resignation that it will be 'stepping back' a few years again.
I hadn’t really thought much about having a third until very recently, but equally we had been keeping the embryos just in case. I had previously been keen to donate them to childless couples but the process is far from straightforward and would cost us too. And I worry that any children resulting would hate us for giving them away especially if they have an unhappy or abusive childhood. There are no guarantees. And new law changes mean they would be able to trace is once they turn 18...

I just turned 41 and would not be trying to conceive naturally at my age (and it would be unlikely to work anyway) but I feel like the embryos are one more chance that I would otherwise not have.
If we did a frozen cycle and it was not successful I don’t think we would try again as I don’t think I could take it mentally and also I would be older still, albeit by months. So potentially we will be left with one embryo to ‘destroy’ even if we do one more cycle. And that will be hard...
Reasons not to have another:

  • Our time and money will be spread even more thinly across three children rather than two and the impact on our two existing children - attention, activities etc.
  • No local family to support us.
Starting again....back to the baby stage
  • Impact on my career - I’m currently PT in a flexible job but would look to move if another baby wasn’t on the cards.
  • Possible risk to my health of pregnancy at this age (while the embryos are those of my 34 year old self, my body is now 41)
  • Impact on us as a couple (v little time for us together or as individuals in first two years with each child but getting some back now that youngest is getting older)
  • Need to change car (mine, DH has a company car that he can’t change and which wouldn’t accommodate 2 adults and 3 kids)
  • Need to move house, if not before baby is born then within first year (we want to move anyway but a new baby would affect the timing)
  • Bereaved / Elderly parents (mine) reasonably nearby who need what (limited) practical support and more emotional support that we can offer.
  • 7 year gap between eldest and youngest assuming all goes smoothly - would mean that eldest is at secondary school by the time a third would start Reception year. Practically is this really hard?
  • My age once the youngest is 18 - I'd be 60!
  • Pregnancy with two children must be tough!

Reasons to have another:

  • I feel very sad at the thought of never being pregnant or having a newborn again.
  • We can afford it.
  • I love seeing my two play together and their affection for each other.
  • More siblings means more family for my children - our extended family isn't especially big or close.

I have mixed emotions about being an older mum. My mum was relatively old having me and died at an average age and I feel sad that I lost her when my own children were still very young and before I felt it was 'right' iyswim? But none of us have a crystal ball and we don't know how long we have so....

And if we decide not to try for another, how do I come to terms with letting these embryos perish or be used for research? I am so grateful for IVF giving me my eldest but I hate that I've been left in this situation of having to decide what to do with leftover embryos. Not everyone is as lucky I know but it's not an easy thing to deal with.

I'm so confused. Having the embryos is definitely a big factor in me thinking about a third child but not the only one.
Is trying for a third me being selfish in terms of my two existing children?

Would love to hear your thoughts. WWYD?

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Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 24/01/2019 14:30

My friend has 4 dc via ivf. A dd, twins and after deciding - while on holiday and time to have a deep think - decided to try the last frozen embryo at over 40. She got another dd!
She said she couldn't have not tried with the last embryo.
She had csections with all 3 pregnancies due to big babies and the twins each over 7lb!!
What's ifs carry heavy imo.
What would you do with them if you don't go ahead? More decisions there also.

encoreunefois2019 · 24/01/2019 14:35

That’s a wonderful ivf story!

If we do try and are successful with the first embryo we use then we will still have one remaining and I will definitely be too old to ever use that myself. But if we try a cycle and the first embryo doesn’t thaw well it would then move to the next one to see if that did.
We can’t have both put back in the same cycle as the chance of twins / multiples would be too high.

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StateofIndependance · 24/01/2019 14:41

Try not to think about it terms of wasting or destroying the embryos. They are only a few tiny cells. You lose similar every time you have a period. It sounds to me like you actually want a third baby. If you do, then give it a go. Personally I would not go through the hassle and expense of more fertility treatment unless I really, really felt driven to do so.

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encoreunefois2019 · 24/01/2019 17:54

I would only want to do an unmedicated frozen cycle this time. Feels less intrusive. The embryos feel like more than an unfertilised egg to me. I have an attachment to them, whether that’s rational or not.

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encoreunefois2019 · 24/01/2019 20:35
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encoreunefois2019 · 25/01/2019 13:06

Would love some more perspectives. Please :)

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ThriftyMcThrifty · 26/01/2019 05:13

I would go for it, I think you will always think ‘what if’ if you dont. They may not take, and if not, you will know you gave it your best and it sounds like you will be at ease with that result. I don’t think you’d regret having a third child, but it sounds like you would regret not trying.

ThriftyMcThrifty · 26/01/2019 05:14

I write this as someone who is expecting her third though, so I am obviously pro- three child families! I spent a long time deciding whether we should have a third, years in fact. But I’m really happy and at ease with my decision now.

YetAnotherThing · 26/01/2019 05:23

How about having both embryos put back. They would probably recommend that anyway. Maybe 0-1 or 2 will stick. Overcomes the decision with the remaining one

Goposie · 26/01/2019 05:24

You sound like you want a third. You also sound like you do not want to destroy the embryos so l would go for a third. If you become pg and still have one embryo which you cannot use to try for a fourth or destroy I have heard of people transferring such embryos at at time when they know they cannot become pregnant.

encoreunefois2019 · 27/01/2019 20:15

Congratulations Thrifty! I’m glad you came to the right decision for you.

YetAnotherThing - I couldn’t risk putting both back at the same time. The risk of twins or more if both took or one split is too much. It’s a small risk but I couldn’t cope with two or more more children!

GoPosie - I think I do want another or at least try for another, I think... still not 100%!
I’ve heard of the putting back at a time they couldn’t take as an alternative to destroying embryos. That would feel better to me. I’ll find out more about it. Thanks

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Nothinglefttochoose · 14/02/2019 08:25

Go for it! Good luck!

Mollymur · 27/02/2021 11:58

Hi i have just read your post ,although it was 2 years ago I find myself now in same situation. Iv almost 3 yr old twins through IVF and iv to frozen embryos left in storage. I didn't think I wanted more kids but I can't stop thinking lately about what to do with them. I'm 36 and I feel I'm closing the door on my fertility if i let them go. Its s difficult decision. I'm just curious to know you decided yourself. I don't know anyone who would understand the situation I feel I'm in ?

hoping2018 · 18/06/2022 19:51

@encoreunefois2019

would love to hear what you decided!

my first was IVF and we have two more wmbryos sat there. We were just about to do ivf for number 2 and I conceived naturally. I am so incredibly grateful for both my son and daughter but I can’t stop thinking about those embryos that we came so close to using and I have always wanted 3 children (I am a third child!)

my husband doesn’t want another…. But we have continued to store the embryos in case we change our minds (I’m 90% certain I want a third anyway).

would love to hear what decision you reached….. if you ever see this message !

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