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Advice re friend's difficult adult daughter - this is going to be bloody long!

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FurryDogMother · 20/01/2019 20:08

I'm not a parent, but my best mate is (to 2 daughters, 19 and 21) and she's asked me to ask Mumsnet for advice, so here I go. I've told her what I think about it.

A bit of background - my friend got divorced a few years ago after a 15+ year marriage (I can't remember the exact dates, but they were married before they had their first daughter). She and the ex have a mostly amicable relationship, and the girls have bedrooms in both their houses (this is beginning to sound like Romeo and Juliet!). They (both parents) are OK for money, though not rolling in it.

The younger daughter is fine. She works, is in a relationship, and is generally lovely. The elder, not so much, although I think she is a kind person at heart and will, given time, be an OK adult. It's just now and the next few years...

The crux of the matter is that the elder daughter seems to be taking a lot of 'dexies' (dextroamphetamine, ie speed). This has only recently come to light, after a couple of years in which she's been associating with people who have a negative effect on her life, spending more than she earns (when she earns - she's in and out of jobs, stops going when she gets bored or fed up), getting a regular allowance of several hundred pounds a month from her father (hence doesn't really need to work), and suffering from mental health issues (depression, anxiety), she's under the care of the local mental health team, although they don't - as far as we know - know about her drug misuse and those issues tend to present themselves when she gets herself into some kind of trouble which she needs her parents to sort out for her. I'm not judging here, am trying very hard not to (it's not easy!), just telling you the facts. She lives rent and grocery cost free at both homes, unless she's had a strop and moved in with a boyfriend.

When challenged on her behaviour, said daughter becomes distressed - she screams and shouts at her parents, has threatened them with a knife (police called), and her default position is that she can't help it because of her mental illness. Threatens suicide, or self harm. Consequently, my friend (not sure about the ex) is now a bit scared to object when she behaves badly. The daughter also regularly sends abusive texts to her mother accusing her of 'doing nothing, drinking all the time, and sleeping with her (the daughter's) friends, and living off the ex's money (ie, maintenance)'. None of these are true.

Given the above - what would your advice to my friend (and her ex) be? I've told her I reckon I know what the consensus will be, but I could be wrong. My friend is terrified that her daughter will try to kill herself if she rejects her because of the way she behaves. That's what the daughter threatens, anyway. It's all pretty hellish, but I love my friend, and I've known both her kids since they were tiny, and care a lot about them too. I'm not sure how to help - but have told her what I think and promised I'd ask on here.

Any thoughts?

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sleeplessinsomewhereelse · 20/01/2019 21:26

Blimey. My gut feeling is that actually the mum is an enabler. It's actually harming her to continue to support her habits.

sleeplessinsomewhereelse · 20/01/2019 21:27

Posted too soon...

I'd be inclined to have a bit of a family meeting to try and find a way to support her to get 'clean' and working etc.

LuckyLou7 · 20/01/2019 21:34

The parents need to work as a team and stop enabling this woman to continue this lifestyle. Allowing her to live rent free with no bills, giving her money so that she doesn't have to work - what incentive does she have to get her act together? The screaming, the shouting, the threats of suicide - she sounds like a spoilt toddler. Tough love is what is needed, and both mum and dad need to be on board with this.

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FurryDogMother · 21/01/2019 08:46

Many thanks for the thoughts, folks, you're saying what I've been thinking, so it's good to know I'm not too far off the mark.

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PeaQiwiComHequo · 21/01/2019 08:59

threatening suicide as a tactic to make people accept unacceptable behaviour is a well-recognised marker of coercive control, favoured by narcissistic personalities.

This young woman clearly needs help but both parents are enabling her to continue on a self a destructive path which will not end well.

Neither parent should be giving her the income she wants to live this life and have all the social activities, fun and drugs she wants. Instead put that money into some counselling or psychiatry sessions to help her to develop a healthier mental state.

step one has to be the two parents talking together and working out a unified policy. This is the true love we get from our parents - when they say "no" firmly and make the path to a healthy and fulfilling adulthood easier than the path to a selfish and destructive adulthood.

TwoGinScentedTears · 21/01/2019 09:11

My husbands sister is just like this. An explosive response to anything that isn't what she wants.

But she's 41 now and it's still the same-because they never tackled it. Drug abuse? Check
No financial independence? Check
Everyone too scared to say anything? Check

She lives in a house gifted to her. Had an allowance for council tax. Stopped paying council tax. Her parents paid the arrears. And stopped the allowance. Now she's not speaking to the parent (they're divorced and both remarried) who stopped he allowance.

So my advice would be to sort this out now. Wean her off the money. Make it clear that she can't manipulate situations with threats of self harm. Offer help in the form of medical appointments, but not in th form of money. It's hard-the parent that is no longer a part of the woman's life in my situation is killing cling herself that she didn't tackle all of this sooner. And she's desperately sad at the situation, but leaving it and leaving it has got them nowhere except deeper into a quagmire of dispair. No body is happy. Sad

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