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What is middle class?

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dolliebauble · 16/01/2019 10:24

I feel very ignorant when I hear this term. What does it mean to be middle class? What is your understanding of the term? I need more knowledge and understanding about this...

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Dowser · 16/01/2019 12:46

If you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth to a member of the landed gentry...your upper class

If your parents worked for a living you’re working class

There’s only two classes.. those that live off the land or those that work to live

Camomila · 16/01/2019 13:05

I think all ethnicities worry themselves about class in some way.
For eg. all of DHs childhood friends (parents from the Philippines, born in the UK) were forced into childhood piano lessons. Grin

NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:12

@Dowser where do the bourgeoisie fit into your schema?

ThanksItHasPockets · 16/01/2019 13:22

Sorry for being defensive, bumblebee. It is a sore point Smile

I agree with your assessment of the squeeze on middle-class lifestyles but I don’t think this is unique to teaching. I have a lot of university friends who were privately educated in the eighties and nineties on one professional salary. They now have their own children, but the only ones who can afford to educate them privately are those who bring in two six-figure salaries, from banking or City law.

ArtisanPopcorn · 16/01/2019 13:31

I work at a university so most of my colleagues are more middle class than me but it's a very particular tribe of middle class. No flashy cars, shop at Aldi, houses not immaculate and full of books and travel souvenirs, all vote remain/labour, not too much make up, natural hair colours, patterned dresses, bright cardigans, chunky wooden necklaces, jaunty scarves, brown boots, happy to shop at charity shops, everyone breastfeeds, lots are into cycling/jogging, kids have old-fashioned names.

I feel like there's then another tribe who wear hunter wellies, Barbour coats, mulberry handbags, drive range rovers, a bit more right wing, more groomed, houses more minimalist, shop at waitrose, kids have more classic/popular names.

These two opposite tribes are, I think, behind a lot of confusion about what middle class people are/do.

Crushedvelvetcouch · 16/01/2019 13:39

Actually Artisan, I think you're pretty much spot on there.

NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:41

Artisan Isn't that just middle middle vs upper middle?

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 13:43

In marketing it's termed as either people of a very high income (top 20%), or people of land. It's what most laymen would consider upper class.

OutPinked · 16/01/2019 13:43

Not so easily defined anymore. Judging by wealth alone many celebrities would be upper middle-upper class for example but judging by their backgrounds, education and overall personas, they’re working class.

I think it boils down to your education level but also your interests and personality has a lot to do with it. E.g I know a woman who is inherently middle class in the sense she is studying law, went to grammar school, family are well off etc but as a person if you met her, she’s common as muck Grin.

Crushedvelvetcouch · 16/01/2019 13:45

Who are the upper middle out of the two Nopslide?

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 13:45

Media however seem to be using it to refer to people on fairly modest incomes such as for e.g. a nurse married to a police officer - they're deemed middle class by the media.

ArtisanPopcorn · 16/01/2019 13:46

@NopSlide quite possibly! But it may explain the discrepancies when people are just generically discussing the middle classes.

NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:47

very high income (top 20%)

Top 20% of income is "very high"?

Who are the upper middle out of the two Nopslide?

Well I am firmly middle middle and my parents are the more crunchy sort of middle class so clearly them :P

BarbaraofSevillle · 16/01/2019 13:47

But I don't understand what the type of people described by Artisan has to do with class. I fit very well into the first group, but am definitely working class and also a few friends/colleagues are very similar.

The second group could equally apply to the more affluent working classes, such as people like Katie Price and people who aspire to be like her.

So it's just about different types of people, but not related to class.

NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:48

but am definitely working class

Defined by what?

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 13:48

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LEARNING OBJECTIVE
Understand how values, attitudes, and lifestyles associated with the different social classes affect shopping and consumption habits.

Although lifestyle, along with the values and attitudes that shape it, is probably the best indicator of social class, it is extremely difficult to analyze. However, such frameworks as VALS (Values, Attitudes, and Lifestyles) provide insight into values, attitudes, and lifestyles and their influence on consumption patterns. The following observations provide an overview of values, attitudes, and lifestyles and the ways in which they reflect the social classes we have discussed.

Values
Social class is an important source of beliefs, values, and behaviors. Individuals are taught class values primarily through their associations with family, friends, and neighbors in school and in the workplace. Attitude toward education is a good example of the difference between classes. Members of the lower classes tend to view it as less valuable than do members of the middle class. Members of the lower classes are more apt than other groups to seek immediate gratification. The strength of appeals like “buy now, pay later” among the lower classes is evidence of this. They also depend on luck for opportunities, which probably explains the popularity of state lotteries.

In contrast, members of the middle class tend to believe that they can govern their own destinies and are less averse to risk. In addition, morality and respectability are important to the middle class. They seek success by applying those values to their work and to their lives in general. Unlike the lower-class members, who tend to feel trapped and may not take pride in the work they do, members of the middle class feel they can achieve more and have a greater feeling of accomplishment and pride. As individuals progress up the social scale, they develop a stronger sense of self and potential for personal achievement. They also feel a strong commitment to participate.

Part of the value system crossing social-class lines is charitable giving of money and time. Americans have always been generous givers, even in tough economic times. One would have expected that major social and political events might upset the trend. However, the stability of this is evident in the giving before and after the 9/11 terrorist attack.

Attitudes and Self-Perceptions
Upper-middle-class husbands and wives have positive attitudes toward functioning as teams. Women tend to demand much of themselves. They feel they should work hard at child rearing and at self-development, both professional and intellectual. Those with youngsters attempt to develop bright, active, precocious children and to look for goods and services that will enhance their success as parents.

Lower-middle-class parents are more likely to emphasize control and conformity in raising their children and to place greater value on teaching them standards of politeness, order, and cleanliness. Working-class mothers express a strong need to enjoy and interact with their children, whereas fathers remain fairly distant, particularly from young children.

Lower-class women usually say that they dress to please themselves; lower-middle-class women are more concerned with what other women think of their clothing; and upper-middle-class women tend to dress for themselves, their husbands, other women, and other men. Lower-class families maintain the least adventurous social boundaries, preferring to socialize with relatives. They are more prone to spend vacations staying at home, visiting relatives, or letting the husband take off by himself, than are upper-middle-class people, who spend vacations as nuclear family groups.

FAQ
Is it possible for two people who have exactly the same lifestyle to belong to different social classes?

In terms of self-perception, lower-class women appear to understand their bodies least of any class and maintain a sense of taboo about them. Higher-class women take more pride in their bodies and consider themselves fastidious. Upper-middle-class women are less involved with such products as deodorants because they feel less anxiety about offending others. They express the most personal pride and self-esteem in grooming, whereas lower-middle-class women respond to social motives and general self-consciousness.

Upper-middle-class men see themselves as clean, fastidious, and well groomed and relate these traits to career success. Masculine know-how is defined as sophistication about business, restaurants, travel, and so on.

Lower-middle-class men find masculine identity in being good fathers and building a solid home life. They are characterized as serious, rather depressed, fearful of being displaced by lower-class members, and concerned that their children get a good education to achieve upward mobility.

Men in this group are the most traditional in matters of clothing and grooming and appear most resistant to innovative fashions. The ad for Gillette M3POWER in Video 10.7 is targeted to men from the working- through upper-middle class. It appeals to these men as a modern twist on the traditional way to shave. Also notice the three visuals in the ad explaining how the razor works. This is a direct appeal to the lower-class share of the target group who “want to know” such details. Working-class men see themselves as steadfast and reliable, earning decent livings for their families. They value manual adroitness and physical skills, and they make the most of their leisure time, with a high percentage participating in recreational sports. They are inclined to feel that life uses them up faster than it does males from other social strata.

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NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:50

How about this:

Underclass: defined by their community.
Working class: defined by their (or their immediate relatives') job.
Middle class: defined by their (or their immediate relatives') career or education.
Upper class: defined by their family.

BarbaraofSevillle · 16/01/2019 13:53

Nop All male relatives miners or factory workers, female relatives shop workers, SAHMs, factory workers, cleaners, childcare, barmaids.

Only person in family to go to university, mostly as generally not affordable in previous generations so needed to go straight into work. Regional accent, think it's perfectly reasonable to sit in the front garden.

almutasakieun · 16/01/2019 13:55

In terms of a marketer, I'm probably what they would consider middle class. In real terms, I'm skint.

Fink · 16/01/2019 13:55

I don't think it's anywhere near as clear cut as it used to be.

I've got no idea what class I am. I'd fairly confidently describe my grandparents as working class and my parents as middle.

Me, not a clue. I am poor but highly educated, so basically economically working class and culturally middle class. Those more nuanced descriptions you see around sometimes can be quite helpful. I'd be in the 'precariat'. I also think they can be unhelpful in other ways, as can the older labels.

NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:56

BarbaraofSevillle just means you're moving up the social ladder :P

Welcome to the ranks of the self-hating middle classes, we suck!

Sarahandduck18 · 16/01/2019 13:57

Not another class thread!

Why don’t you just do a search for last week’s exact same thread?

NopSlide · 16/01/2019 13:59

Why don’t you just do a search for last week’s exact same thread?

People clearly enjoy talking about it. Let them have their fun, we'll all be dead soon.

BarbaraofSevillle · 16/01/2019 14:00

Or you could say that almost none of those traits in my previous post are anything to do with being working class, but almost no-one who claims that classes can be clearly defined would put me as anything other than working class due to my background and accent despite being a degree educated professional, who listens to Radio 4, reads the Times and the Guardian, isn't interested in flash cars, big TVs or showy possessions, clothes, accessories, hair, make up etc and holidays in authentic places as far away as possible from the AI Brits on the piss resorts like Benidorm or Magaluf.

Hence my argument that there's a huge amount of overlap that class is fairly meaningless, especially in a multicultural society such as the UK, where a significant proportion of the population is of overseas heritage and hence do not show such class divides.

Crushedvelvetcouch · 16/01/2019 14:03

Barbara I suspect that the upper working class are virtually indistinct from the middle classes. In fact, ironically they are 'more' MC than the lower middle class as they haven't yet attained the requisite self consciousness to belong to that group Grin