Harry Potter and the goblet of fire! Dumbledore comment, any fans that could help?

[Cranky17]

Just watching GOF and when karkaroff is being tried for death eater crimes In the past, we get a flash back when Harry jumps Into the pensive, karkaroff tried to bargain his sentence with information and names snape as a death eater.
Dumbeldore jumps up and says something along the lines of
‘Not this again, I’ve said before that snape was a death eater but now he works for us, at considerable cost to his own safety’

So dumbledore has just told everyone that snape is a spy, so why would Voldemort have his back in his gang in the present? It makes no sense, Voldemort isn’t stupid.

I feel a bit sad now that there is a plot hole.

Because Snape was posing as a double agent - Voldemort thought he was spying on Dumbledore for him.

And lucius malfoy claimed to have done it all under the imperious curse, but was really on the good side. As did many many deatheaters. Voldy took them all back under his wing, despite them denying him. But with Snape, he believed he was getting a spy. So he was even more valuable than the others.

What greensleves said - Snape was a double agent, he was working for both Voldemort and Dumbledore.
Voldy thought he was spying and feeding information from Hogwarts back to him, but as a skilled Occlumens he could conceal the real truth - that he was never working for Snape, only Dumbledore because of his love for L - always (blub)

The entire series is full of plot holes! But we love it anyway. (Kinda.)

Severus was technically spying for ol' Vol-au-vent first, he was the one who passed part of the prophecy onto Voldy. When he realised that Lily was being targeted he first begged Voldy to spare her, and when that didn't work then went to Dumbledore to ask for help (where a big fuss is made that he didn't care if James and Harry died, well with James it's a case of no shit Sherlock. I can't say I'd have been too fussed if as a 20 year old I knew a serial killer was after one of my school bullies. Harry I feel ambiguous about, yes he was a baby, but Severus was a Death Eater and I have a theory he killed his own father. Not that I'd blame him if that turns out to be the case.)

Not really a plot hole then, more of a plot device.

Vol-au-vent is so apt, as Voldy is often just full of air, and has no body 😂

If Snape could read Harry's mind why didn't he know about Harry and Hermione stealing the boomslang skin, also when he was caught with the Marauders map. Hanging around under the invisibility cloak on the stairs.

And don't get me onto Mrs Figg. Prisoner of Azkhaban she is never mentioned when Harry needs protecting from Sirius. He ends up sitting in the dark until the Knight Bus turns up (after blowing up Marge). Then later on when the dementors turn up in Little Whinging, Arabella's been giving him stale cake for 10 years on Dudder's birthday.

Love Pottermore trivia.
Lily Moon turned into Luna Lovegood.

Housework The mind is not a book to be opened at will and examined at leisure... Although I think he kinda knew anyway as he refers to it in Goblet of Fire.

Consolidate I cannot take the credit for that, it's from the fanfic Harry's New Home. It does fit though.

Sapphire I just love the books because of the detail. Get so wound up at the films, I could actually write a book about what's missing aargh

And Winky being shit faced with a blanket over her head, and Kreacher making stew. Don't get me started

Snape did have to build up trust with Voldemort again. Making the Unbreakable Vow to kill Dumbledore was a start, then actually doing it. So it wasn’t like Snape just strolled back in to favour.

Housework - she explains though, she could never have shown to be there for him otherwise his aunt and uncle would have stopped sending him round or that he'd have enjoyed it when he was round there. Better that he thought she was just mad old cat lady

Snape did have to build up trust with Voldemort again. Making the Unbreakable Vow to kill Dumbledore was a start, then actually doing it. So it wasn’t like Snape just strolled back in to favour.

Aww ok, I’m back on board with Harry Potter then, and I suppose voldy was dead at the time, so kinda makes sense.

However don’t get me started on why Fred and George didn’t think it was odd that there was a strange man called Peter near Ron all the time when they were using the Maraurders map!

@Cranky17 I guess the twins' focus was on using the map for mischief making, so they wouldn't have been paying attention to Ron and what he was doing (or who he was with), as he wasn't part of their plans?

😂, brilliant! Mhw I’m sure you’re right.

@Cranky17 I read once that animagi weren't shown on the map. So when lupin sees peter and Sirius on the map he is only person to do so because he knows that they are animagi and he made the map so maybe he said a different thing to 'we solemnly swear we are up to no good' to get the map to work.

No one apart from lupin sees Sirius on the map or Peter (taking books now not film), and Harry doesn't see Rita Skeeter on the map in book 4 because he doesn't know she's an animagus so she doesn't show up.

Not that I'm over invested at all 😂

NewYoiker I didn’t know that but it sounds like it could be true!
I’m way to over invested, bloody love Harry Potter...

Now the only question that remains is,was dumbledore a goodie or badie 🤯? He put Harry in some awful situations and treated him quite badly at tines

Aw Dumbledore was a true goodie.

He was too clever to ignore what had to be done and in the end his long game worked out perfectly.

He demonstrates after Sirius’s death (particularly the line where he tells Harry that he didn’t pick him as a prefect because he thought he already “had enough on his plate”, and in the 6th book the emotion he displays when he finds out Scrimgeour called Harry ”Dumbledore’s man, through and through”) that setting up Harry like he has to is causing him great pain.

I have to be honest, Dumbledore always has and always will be my hero.

Dumbledore was all about the "greater good", Harry was collateral damage.

But he was my favourite character!!

I love dumbledore. Fuck it I just love Harry Potter!