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If your parent didn't pay maintenance how does it affect your relationship with them now you're grown up?

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Terramirabilis · 28/11/2018 06:12

I read so many threads on here about parents who leave their children and presumably formerly loved partner/spouse in the lurch by not paying maintenance. People doing things like getting paid cash in hand to avoid paying what's due. Some of these parents still see their kids, they just don't want to pay for them. I know children won't understand necessarily at the time what impact that has on their parent who has to struggle to make ends meet. But what happens when they're grown up? Can you respect and love a parent who did that to you and your other parent?

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Terramirabilis · 28/11/2018 06:16

Looks like title got cut off. Was supposed to say "now you're grown up."

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Rhynswynd · 28/11/2018 06:27

My dad didn't pay maintenance for us. He went to uni and got his degree instead. Lucky him. Mum was on the dole with us and it was really bloody hard.
As an adult, I don't let it bother me because even though he didn't pay he would come over when we needed him or were in trouble at school. He lived in Devon and we were in Swindon.
We get on fine. But when he goes on about how parents should do.....whatever, I do remind him of how he shirked that particular responsibility. Reminding him that we all make choices and mistakes and he is in no position to judge too harshly.

WWlOOlWW · 28/11/2018 06:29

Son is an older teen now. He won't talk to his dad who's never paid maintenance.

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KanielOutis · 28/11/2018 06:32

My mum left and paid very little maintenance. When she did pay, she made it clear that she was 'paying my dads mortgage'. She was bitter. We don't have a relationship now. My family were poor, and that could have been different.

SofiaAmes · 28/11/2018 06:35

My dc's dad hasn't paid a penny in 5 years for my 2 dc's. He had 3 dc's before my two and I paid maintenance (at the CSA rate based on ex's income) out of my pocket to the mums of his other dc's (who were still young when I got together with him). The mums knew that the money was coming from me and not him (and told their dc's when they were grown) and now that the other dc's are grown none of them have spoken to him in years because he was a crappy dad on many levels, not just not paying maintenance, but all have a great relationship with me and my dc's even though I have been divorced from their dad for 5 years.

gamerwidow · 28/11/2018 06:36

I saw my dad every weekend and he always pissed about with his maintenance. We have a strained relationship because not paying maintenance is a symptom of not being willing to put your child’s needs in front of your own. Time has shown him to be selfish man in more ways than just money.
I doubt there are any good parents out there who don’t think paying maintenance for their kids is important.

GaraMedouar · 28/11/2018 06:46

My cocklodger ExP pays not a penny maintenance for DD, but sees her one day at the weekend and one day midweek. She adores him, lovely cuddly fun daddy. I don't say anything about the lack of maintenance of course to her but it irritates me like hell. I don't understand how he can not have the pride to financially contribute to his daughter. He is self employed, lazy, earns practically nothing so no point in me going to the CMS . He will treat her to a cinema trip, or a magazine or sweets usually so in her eyes he is fab. I just grit my teeth.

HoneyBumpkin · 28/11/2018 06:55

DH is completely NC with his twat of a dad dad who actively avoided maintenance, missed payments, changed job to avoid CMS etc

I have generally a good relationship with my dad who paid for one off things when asked (shoes, coats, school trips etc) but it was never fair or equal. My mum was on benefits and struggled and made huge sacrifices to raise us. It had long term effects on the quality of both their lives and I recognise now that he was able to do the treats and Disney dad things only because he didn't contribute regularly to our basic needs. I get on ok with him but I don't respect him for it.
There probably are times I decide I'm not prepared to put myself out for him whereas I would do anything for my mum at the drop off a hat. I've never asked him for money as an adult (student etc) as a point of pride

Fwiw I think my mum should have pushed him harder for her own sake but he should have realised that having children creates weekly expenses that he never contributed to

TheBigBangRocks · 28/11/2018 07:35

I would imagine a lot don't know, many adults keep things like that away from children and don't tell them.

I would imagine some care and I couldn't have a relationship with a parent who didn't financially support their child be it the resident partner or the non resident parent. Likewise, the same for when a parent puts their new love life above their children.

I'd imagine it doesn't bother a lot though or there would be far more adult children NC with their parents. Lots will go onto do the same as that's the example they had growing up.

bluefolder · 28/11/2018 07:37

If the father of my children wasn't paying maintenance I'd be making it damn hard for him to see them and letting them know from teens the full situation.

BitchQueen90 · 28/11/2018 07:42

I have been NC with my father since I was 11. That wasn't due to him not paying maintenance though as I was unaware of that at that age, it was due to him being a crap father in general.

My exh is a good dad and plays more than the required amount of maintenance. DS is only 5 but they have a great relationship.

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CesiraAndEnrico · 28/11/2018 08:13

We remained estranged. He died this month three years ago. On my 51st birthday it will be three years since that fact was discovered via a google search revealing internet randoms chatting about his death.

His decidedly enthusiastic efforts to avoid supporting us was one of the reasons that led to that. His need to see himself as the reasonable, innocent party, focus the all the blame for our reticence to have a relationship with him on my mother and perceive himself as misunderstood and hard done by were actually far more significant factors.

We also had some very enthusiastic parental alienation going on. Which is why I am also estranged from my mother and my sister has very, very low contact with her.

Neither of them were, or have been, willing to acknowledge their choices. They both preferred, or prefer, to blame the other entirely for the bonds between parents and children fraying to the point of breakage. No responsibility was/has been taken for their own behaviour by either parent. They preferred/prefer to finger point at the other parent. Or us.

They will both die estranged from their children after decades of low/no contact convinced it was somebody else's fault. The truth is both had every chance of rebuilding a relationship with us via a simple recognition that their own behaviour in using us as pawns in their fight caused us long term harm, pain and ... grief.

I forgive them both. I think they both behaved impulsively and got lost in a game of tit for tat and an ongoing battle not to let the other "win". It appears to have been habit forming. Maybe recognising their own awful behaviour was too hard and painful and they took refuge in continuing to blame each other. But without that self awareness on their parts of their own failings at the time and beyond, it was/is impossible to reconcile. Because there comes a point where your only hope to live your life as well as you can means cutting their alternative reality out of the mix for the sake of your mental health.

When around them my suicide ideation becomes incredibly hard to control and keep within doable limits. It started in a florid fashion when their acrimonious separation began and has plagued me for the 35 years since. I have not had a single day since he left us, with all their joint savings in his suitcase, where I haven't had to bat back thoughts that I should die and then nothing will hurt anymore.

Away from them I can treat it like annoying, twinges from an ingrown toenail. With them in my life it becomes so much stronger and constant that it exhausts me to fight it and I worry I'll run out of the energy and desire to keep battling it.

slappinthebass · 28/11/2018 08:27

My dad went to great effort in strategic moves to not pay any maintenance that he could definitely afford. I did see him while this was all going on in court because I didn't really understand, but stopped seeing him for a different reason. I've seen him twice in the last 20 years, and not at all in the last 13. I have heard an alternative post of view of why he didn't pay, that sounds valid, but to justify that he should have spent money on material things we needed and given me money as an adult and he didn't.

Alternatively my dc's dad is not wealthy, frequently doesn't have bus money to pick her up but works it out or we drop dc off. Been on benefits his whole adult life with occasional cash in hand work I'm sure he doesn't declare, doesn't pay a penny maintenance, but does insist on seeing his dc regularly, smokes around them, feeds them lazy crap like pot noodles, does nothing but watch TV with them, is not a positive role model but dc thinks the sun shines out of his arse. I can't imagine dc will ever work out what a poor parent he is.

Bunnyhop1502 · 28/11/2018 08:30

My dad absolutely left my mum in the shit. She coped though and did a good job. When he turned up again in my late teens I just took the guilt money he offered and still do. I love him, he’s my father but I don’t respect what he did. If family gossip is to be believed my paternal GF cooked the family business books so it looked like my dad did not earn enough to pay any maintenance. I place a lot of blame on him too in this situation. I didn’t realise how angry I was at him until he had a health scare last year and I wasn’t very concerned regarding the outcome.

Reading this all back I sound like an ice queen! It’s a rubbish situation and nobody has a time machine to fix any wrongs so I just ignore it mostly.

Spanglyprincess1 · 28/11/2018 08:31

What about ex's who lie about maintenance not being paid? Dps ex tells the children he gives her no money and is useless etc. He ignores the comments but I correct them every single time. He pays a lot over the CMS amount and regularly pays for school trips,uniforms and hobbies ontop (bs seen so I know he does).
Parents should pay maintenance and it will impact a relationship if they don't but equally sometimes parents lie to kids about what is actually happening

empmalswa · 28/11/2018 08:34

I would imagine a lot don't know, many adults keep things like that away from children and don't tell them.

This ^

I firmly believe the finances are between the adults. Used to break my heart to hear a friend snip 'well he doesn't pay for you anyway' when their young DC's mentioned something about not being happy with their dad. What they needed was for mum to listen. What they got was the tail end of mum and dads rows.

Fair enough, when DC's are older, but when they are young and dependent I don't think it's fair to bring the adult problems into their parental relationships.

MrsMaurice · 28/11/2018 08:38

I didn’t care then and I still don’t now. Curious about why but he died aged 59 so I can’t ask him. He gave me so much, I don’t feel resentful at all. He was useless at some things but he was still my dad and I still loved him more than I can say.

corlan · 28/11/2018 08:41

I think if you're the sort of person that will avoid paying maintenance, you're going to be an arsehole in many other ways as well. Decent people that love their children and want to build good relationships with them don't avoid supporting them finacially.

CryptoFascist · 28/11/2018 08:59

My father jumped through hoops to avoid paying maintenance, to the point of moving abroad when the CMS came knocking.
He was a neglectful father in other ways too, barely saw him apart from when he'd randomly arrive with OTT gifts and play Disney dad once every few years.
We lived in poverty and I remember times of being hungry, using newspaper as loo roll etc. Mum worked but part time and minimum wage, she did her best for us. He was happy to see his DC live like that and would boast about his holidays to us.
I can't really unpick from all that whether it's mostly the lack of maintenance or lack of interest from him that means I am LC with him now.

SlipperyLizard · 28/11/2018 09:40

My dad was a high earner, and when I was at Uni was meant to pay me £50 per month (a lot in the 90s!). He often didn’t bother, or needed to be chased. He used to pay by cheque. One year he sent me a cheque for £50 for my birthday, but didn’t send a cheque for maintenance. Thanks Dad!

It was all part of a gradual process where I realised he didn’t give a shit about me and that I should return the favour.

I barely see or speak to him now and wonder if I’ll see him again before he dies, and if I didn’t see him again whether I’d be upset (I think not, but who knows?). He clearly isn’t upset at the thought of not seeing me!

Surfskatefamily · 28/11/2018 09:46

Growing up i didnt know. In my teens i ended up preferring my dad as we always did fun stuff. He only had us eow sat n sun so naturally its fun time. Mum was so stressed.
Now im a mother and am more aware of my mothers struggles and lack of support. Not to mention his cheating on my ma night before wedding and secondly later on impregnating a 17year old.
Iv lost all respect for him as a father
My mum didnt tell me this willingly or toruin my view of dad but i asked what went wrong and about whether he supported us

MadMum101 · 28/11/2018 10:08

Mine apparently paid the £5 weekly court agreed maintenance once then didn't bother anymore, despite coming into a sum of money equivalent to around £250k today shortly afterwards.

That £5 was for 6 children. 4 of who weren't his but he had gone to the trouble of formally adopting.

He remarried a few years later and financially supported his new wife's children.

We met after a 32 year absence and he expected us to fall into father daughter role immediately but I couldn't get past his total lack of care for me as a child. Having my own DC by then, he disgusted me. The money thing was massive but leaving me with a woman who was so abusive he couldn't cope with her as a grown man was worse.

Nolagerformethanks · 28/11/2018 10:38

I don't have a good relationship with my dad who messed about with paying my mum's maintenance, she brought up 2 children alone with no help from him, worked 2 jobs and saved damned hard to make sure we had a holiday every year and presents at Christmas. I came home from school one day to find her in floods of tears because he hadn't paid her anything for years and she must have been struggling, I won't ever forgive him for that. It was heart breaking. I am now 29 and she recently had a letter from CMS (or whatever they are now) stating she is still entitled to around £10k and did she still want it persued? I told her she needed to for all the years she went without although she doesn't seem so bothered now why should he get away with it??

flamingofridays · 28/11/2018 10:45

my dad never paid a penny but mum never told me so as a child/teenager I didn't have a problem with him,

I don't speak to him now because he doesn't approve of the relationship I am in.

I think a lot of responses will say that the now adults don't speak to their parents, but generally if they don't pay maintenance they probably don't do much else either so its not always a direct correlation of no maintenance = no relationship.

I think as well their parent who should have received maintenance, sometimes has a v big influence on their childs relationship with the non payer.

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