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Anyone know the science behind botox

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Mathsforehead · 25/11/2018 08:30

This is something I never thought I’d consider...
I am 33 and basically my face is pretty much ruined. I know that sounds dramatic but it really isn’t. I have always had forehead lines and deep frown lines even in my 20’s, in fact I have noticed all my family have them regardless of lifestyle so probably genetic. I have tried drinking lots of water, I have a very healthy diet, am fit, tried various face creams, frowned, facials etc. They have gotten so much worse since having dcs and the lack of sleep have really exacerbated them. It makes my face look so odd, the muscles behind the frown lines have actually pushed one of my eyebrows down also. It makes me look as though I am in pain all the time.
I avoid photos as I always look angry, people say I look exhausted all the time. I cover them with a fringe which I hate, constantly fixing my hair to cover the whole of my forehead, it makes me very uncomfortable.
I really want to get Botox and it seems so common now but I am terrified. I have always been careful with my health and I guess the idea of putting a poison into my system is freaking me out. Could it travel to another part of my body like my heart or lungs? How does it get expelled from the body? Could it kill someone? If anyone uses Botox themselves or administers it can you please give me your insights.

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Mathsforehead · 25/11/2018 10:13

Anyone? I am furrowing thinking about it..

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Passmeagin · 25/11/2018 11:15

Sorry I don't know much about the science behind it but I regularly get it for my frown lines on my forehead and between my eyebrows. I love it. No one can tell I have it done it's very natural but has made a huge difference to my self esteem.
It's basically a neurotoxin that paralyses the muscles. It's quite a natural product (iirc)
Your body metabolises the product. At first you may need it done more regularly but once your body is used to it it lasts longer. I go about twice a year now

Mathsforehead · 25/11/2018 11:29

Thank you for your reply. Do you get any strange sensations after getting it done, can you feel it pulling all the time? Sorry for the intrusive questions!
Yes I think it would do wonders for me too, this goes beyond aging. I don’t mind having wrinkles but these are different, It’s like I have too big scars on my face, no exaggeration. In fact Botox might not even work. I even remember a girl in my class in secondary school who had really distinctive frown lines so I honestly think for some it’s not just age related but also strong facial muscles.

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TheQueef · 25/11/2018 11:33

Botox is botulism toxin, it causes paralysis so the muscle it's injected in to no longer moves.
Temporarily.

Passmeagin · 25/11/2018 11:35

No no strange sensations. I do get a mild headache that kind of feels like brain freeze straight afterwards but it doesn't last long.
I know how you feel. I can cope with some wrinkles but my permanent frown lines where really getting me down. When I tell people I have it I do get some negative comments as I'm not even 30 yet but my doctor even agrees that my lines were extremely prominent for my age.
I think you will see a huge difference if you get it done. But if the lines are to deep you might need some filler to but I think it will fine. But make sure you do your research first and go with a reputable doctor

Pandasarecute · 25/11/2018 11:45

Been having it for 6 years, love it! I only have it twice a year but I love the fresher faces look it gives me. Do your research carefully about the practitioner- I go to a dentist as they have expert knowledge of facial muscles

Mathsforehead · 25/11/2018 12:53

I guess one worry I have is about the risks of Botox getting into the bloodstream. I would be going to a reputable dentist but if they made a mistake....
I am an over-thinker 😬

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shouldidoitspoilt · 25/11/2018 13:00

It's a toxin that paralyses muscles so they don't tense up which is how they reduce wrinkles

Maybe some filler is better

I've had Botox in my back multiple times for pain

I would have it in my face as I got older

The levels in Botox they use for aesthetics is nothing near dangerous so I wouldn't be concerned about that

Look up the consultant clinic Harley st for some info

Bellabonkers · 25/11/2018 13:08

Don't have filler. Try BOTOX first. I had it twice yearly from 38. Am 43 now and have it every 9 months.

Go to a decent clinic. I'm in Manchester and go to Harley st equivalent .

I pay 300 and it works Smile
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Thisismyhappyface · 25/11/2018 13:13

@Bellabonkers who do you go to? I'm in North Wales, and looking for someone good. Happy to travel to Manchester/Liverpool/Chester

Bellabonkers · 25/11/2018 13:15

It also depends on the look you want. I have soft features so go for a natural not frozen look.

Less is more in terms of initial BOTOX. They can add to it if you don't like initial results. But they can't take it away.
It wears off after 4 to 6 months. But the more you have it the longer the results. Hence my now 9 month appointments.

I'd rather have BOTOX than expensive face cream.

Bellabonkers · 25/11/2018 13:16

I go to skin viva in Manchester. They have a great website. All doctors

Thisismyhappyface · 25/11/2018 13:19

Thanks Bella
Will have a look. I've just started a thread for recommendations so as to not hijack too much!

Berthatydfil · 25/11/2018 13:24

Botox is a purified form of a toxin produced by a type of food poisoning bacteria that live and reproduce in conditions without oxygen.
Same family as tetanus.
The toxin which is produced in contaminated food such as a food can with a pin prick hole ( no air can get in) will kill you or make you very ill because it blocks the chemical messages coming from your nerves to your muscles. You would die essentially because your diaphragm would become paralysed and you would suffocate.
If you were found in time and put on a mechanical respiratory device the toxin would wear off in time and your muscles would recover.
So very small amounts of this purified toxin is injected into specific targeted muscles to selectively paralyse them.

Bellabonkers · 25/11/2018 13:31

And guess what. After above scary science post I'm still alive Grin

The quantities that are injected are minute. Do not be terrified by Berthatydfil

Mathsforehead · 25/11/2018 13:50

Less reassuring...

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Namechanger55555 · 25/11/2018 13:55

Go for it OP!
Botox if truely amazing stuff. I was skeptical it would work for me, but it really does.

I can't give any info than what has already been posted. But if your lines are really really deep you might benefit from Botox and a little bit of filler to soften the line.

I'm going to do my foundation training next year in botox and fillers Smile I'm really excited about it.

OrcinusOrca · 25/11/2018 14:01

OP have you tried facial exercises for the eyebrows? One side of my face is much weaker than the other and there are lots of YouTube videos. Might be worth a shit before the Botox as I imagine you won't be able to do them then. Might help a little.

I wouldn't go to a dentist. Plastic surgeons up and down the country do them and they know considerably more about facial muscles than dentists do.

Berthatydfil · 25/11/2018 16:46

Sorry didn’t mean to be scary. I have had Botox and it is nothing to to scared of.

Mathsforehead · 25/11/2018 17:19

Thank you for all your replies. I know that Botox is used in other areas such as migraine prevention etc so it must be safe but I still have doubts.
Bertha, do you mean if a pinprick entered the bloodstream it could be fatal? Also if it’s so dangerous how do more people not die from it particularly with Botox parties etc where there might be unqualified people administering it? Would it not be easy to mess up and inject it incorrectly.
I have health anxiety and this doesn’t help as obviously I would be getting this for fickle , cosmetic reasons so it’s unnecessary. However it is quite a significant issue to me with my face and really isn’t minor wrinkles.
I guess what I am asking is is the Botox admistered different to the fatal type of Botox in food poisoning etc?

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