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duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 11:39

Name changed for this as it’s outing!

We’ve lived in our house for over 10 years and are really happy here, area is lovely and it’s perfect for commutes to work and walk to school. So aside from it not being financially viable right now we really don’t want to have to move. Most people on our street are lovely and a mix of owners and renters. We’re semi detached and about 7 years ago house next door was sold to a chap who now rents property out. Current tenants who (couple and two kids) have been there some time now (+3 years) are proving really difficult to live with and we’re getting to the end of our tether.

It started well enough - We popped round to say hi with a welcome card and wine, hellos on the drive that kind of thing but rarely get much back however I realise some people like to keep themselves to themselves, that’s fine. Fairly early on they were loud with kids thundering about the house (we have 1 DC so I get it, that’s what kids do) parents shouting and swearing at the kids loudly and often. Not pleasant but we just hoped as the kids got older things would calm down. This has been going on for a few years now and in the last 12 months has escalated to the kids waking early (5am onward) and for the parents to shriek and yell at them, often with swearing to get back to bed. This happens several mornings in the week and most weekends too and goes on for about an hour. A few months ago we’d had enough of the sleep deprivation and our DC was really being affected by it (she’s 10 now) so I plucked up the courage to pop round for a chat. I deliberately chose a time when the chap wasn’t home and the kids were at school.

She did acknowledge the noise and told me immediately that one DC had been diagnosed as autistic and they thought the 2nd was the same and that this makes their behaviour difficult to control. I can appreciate this must be bloody hard and straight away I felt crap for bringing it up. What she didn’t seem to get was that actually their response was part of the problem. So I know I should have made this point more assertively however I think I felt a bit bad knowing about the kids and the side of me that hates confrontation of any nature wanted to toddle off home! We do at times hear lots of normal pleasant interactions, it’s not always awful but there’s something about that early morning that is slowly making us go mad! There's noise at other times of the day too.

Things got better for a few weeks but then back to normal so a month later I went round again tried to keep it neutral and again she was calm and civil with me and said they were hoping to get carpets in the kids rooms (house is laminate throughout and I think this is a massive contributing factor).

Well it’s not got better, as far as I know no carpets, my DD is regularly tired and in tears at 5.30am and we’re all bad tempered and snappy at each other.

So. What would you do if you were me? We have tried through this to be sympathetic to how hard it is for them to manage. I know they are just a normal family trying to get through the day but I don’t think it’s fair for it to affect us especially DD but I don’t know what we can do? We have the landlords details so could go to him but I’ll just feel like a grass if I do that. Pretty realistic and know I’ll get lots of suggestions to either move or suck it up 😊 but maybe need some perspective as to whether I’m unreasonable or not - feeling to tired to dare post in AIBU!

If you’ve made it this far thank you so much for listening.

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NoDancingPolicy · 22/11/2018 12:35

Sadly, I don't think you can do anything except possibly appeal to the landlord to put carpets in?

NoDancingPolicy · 22/11/2018 12:38

Or you could have the house soundproofed by an expert company. We have friends who did this and it made a massive difference. It cost a lot, but was cheaper than moving. Plus you never really know what problems you are moving to in the new place.

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 12:45

NoDancing thanks, it feels inevitable that we are going to have to talk to the landlord at some point, DH thinks we should try talking to NDN again before.
Soundproofing is an option too, I'm (in vain, probably!) hoping it won't get to that as we really haven't got the £ to throw at it. And I agree you never know what new terrors you could have next door of you do move!

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LunaTheCat · 22/11/2018 12:56

You sound lovely and very understanding and tolerant.
You can wander if patents shouting and swearing at kids has had an effect on their mental health though!
You have tried talking nicely and that has not helped.
I would not feel bad about upping the ante - having sterner conversation or talking to landlord.

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 13:11

Thanks Luna. I'm finding I'm swinging from wanting to understand and be tolerant to wanting to scream through the wall at them. Unfortunately DD did just that on our early wake up call this am before bursting into tears. I've explained that although it's tough we need to try and avoid tit for tat 😕.
I also wonder why they shift so much and swear at the kids if they are autistic, I have no experience of this myself but it feels like that's on the list of Things You Should Not Do in their situation.

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duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 13:12

Hoping a MN landlord will come along and offer advice!

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Poppyfr33 · 22/11/2018 13:16

You could involve your local council by making a noise complaint. Usually they would send a letter to the neighbour stating they have had a complaint, giving no names. You would also be sent a letter and asked to keep a diary of when the problem occurs etc. Quite often the letter works.

Jellyonawonkyplate · 22/11/2018 13:24

We had a similar situation and we did have success with speaking to the landlord and within a couple of months they were gone. The thing with us is that the noise was horrific into the early hours. That could have been a factor as the hours were antisocial and I believe there is a clause in a rental contact to not distress the neighbours.

I have to say we were persistent, a couple of emails a week, as it became unbearable.

In your case I guess the question would be is this just a noisy family life. The swearing at kids is abhorrent but that would be a social services issue for me! You need to speak to the landlord.

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 13:27

Poppy would this mean we would have to declare a "dispute" when selling? I'm worried about doing anything that could jeopardise things when we do eventually sell.
Possible though this could be action further down the line once we've spoken to the LL.

Thank you everyone for replying...If nothing else all positives so far make me feel like INBU!

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GoldenCurls · 22/11/2018 13:27

I would contact the landlord. You have raised it politely twice, and nothing has changed.

I know some people hate them, but in the short term could you get some decent ear plugs? Or even a white noise machine for your DD’s room?

I really sympathise, we lived next door to neighbours like this for 3 years before we threw in the towel and sold the house.

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 13:34

Thanks Golden and Jelly. From what I've googled so far it would be classed as unreasonable as it's before 7am so I'm hoping that's in our favour.
I'm not keen on ear plugs for me as I've not got on with them in the past and I want to be able to hear if DD needs me in the night (nightmare, sickness etc.). I might look into a white noise contraption for her room.

I am a bit worried about the swearing at the kids, I'm not sure if in reality SS would do anything?

Quick poll - DH thinks we should try taking once more and mention politely what our next action may need to be. If we do, I'm thinking of doing it by letter, keeping a photo too. Is This cowardly? DH thinks it may be misconstrued or too easy for them to "lose" it Confused

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KnittingSister · 22/11/2018 13:45

You've tried twice, DH is keen to try again...so let him. (Not you!)

Spaghettio · 22/11/2018 13:54

Could you go round and speak to them again, and say you'll contact the landlord. But phrase it like you're helping them to convince the landlord to fit carpets? That way you're still inside with them, and the landlord will become aware of the issues.

Spaghettio · 22/11/2018 13:54

Onside - not inside!

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 13:57

Knitting my worry is that DH is less diplomatic than me at the best of times! Plus if he did go and spoke to the Lady that could be interpreted as a bit intimidating or, if he knocked and the Bloke answered, who is the most shouty of the two, things could escalate quickly and possibly beyond repair.

Basically this is all hindered by the fact I'm a wuss who hates confrontation. Maybe they smell that on me! Thank you though.

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duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 13:58

Spaghettio That's the kind of approach I think we'll go with Smile

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Valasca · 22/11/2018 14:08

“possibly beyond repair.”

Well, their behaviour isn’t going to change permanently and there is nothing you can do to change it.

So what is it you want? Obviously you want them to move since it’s easier than you selling.

I would go to landlord to complain about noise and insist landlord work to better insulate the property.

Landlord won’t want to put more money into the property. Landlord may decide to give them notice instead.

At very least, you can find out if they had just renewed their tenancy contract for another year, are on a rolling tenancy and can leave with a month’s notice etc.

Then you can try talking to them again knowing whether they’re stuck in a contract or can easily up and move if they wanted.

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 14:12

Valasca some good points and your right that we don't want to move but something has to give. I'll look into how to establish the contract situation too, thanks.

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EwItsAHooman · 22/11/2018 14:22

SS won't do anything about swearing if that's the only parenting concern, they'd only take an interest if it was sweating in addition to other concerns. It's not ideal parenting to swear at children but ultimately it's just words and some people do swear a lot regardless of audience/situation, if you're used to hearing it then "fucking shut up" is no more abusive than "shut up".

I also wonder why they shift so much and swear at the kids if they are autistic, I have no experience of this myself but it feels like that's on the list of Things You Should Not Do in their situation.

There is no list of things you should not do when parenting an autistic child however from experience I can tell you that there are many days where my child could test the patience of a saint and would quite probably have even Supernanny muttering "please just fuck off for five minutes" under her breath as she leans her head right into the soundproofing confines of the open fridge Grin

I'd raise it with the landlord, he/she will probably get in touch and repeat the same things you've already said but it'll carry a bit more clout coming from someone "official". Be prepared though that they may knock at your door to discuss it if they realise the complaint has come from you.

EwItsAHooman · 22/11/2018 14:24

You can wander if patents shouting and swearing at kids has had an effect on their mental health though!

Autism is not a mental illness, it is a neurodevelopment condition and is not caused by being mentally unwell.

Powerless · 22/11/2018 14:31

Contact environmental health. They will firstly warn them. Then give you monitoring sheets. Then if no change, recording equipment will be installed. Then when they have evidence - court and possibly an ASBO for them

duckducknackered · 22/11/2018 15:10

This thread has been a good reality check, thank you all for lots of practical advice. DH and I need to sit down and decide realistically what our options are as if we don't want to move, knacker future selling or start a full on fall out (is it wrong we just want a quiet life?!) they're limited. But I'm glad I asked you lot it's been helpful.

Ewits I'm sorry I didn't mean to patronise. I've never considered the fridge for peace though may have to try that!

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Valasca · 22/11/2018 15:24

Not excusing anything but I would also assume the shouting is the last in a long line of them quietly and repeatedly trying to get the kids back to bed. You might hear them swearing at 5 am but they may have been doing their best staying up with one of them until 1am to get them to sleep and not keep you awake all night. Or they might be shite parents.

LostPlatypus · 22/11/2018 20:27

Autism is not a mental illness, it is a neurodevelopment condition and is not caused by being mentally unwell.

We all have mental health though, and the way I read what the OP had written was that they were concerned for the mental health of the children as a result of being sworn at - something completely separate from them being autistic.

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