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Does anyone know what these berries are? Also need a butter alternative for pastry.

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DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 12:35

Mumsnet has always been helpful and the collective knowledge great, so there's some field near is which used to be allotments. Loads of fruit trees grow there. We have an abundance of blackberries and figs, sadly now out of season, so we have made loads of jams and pies.

DH went over earlier to see of there were any figs left but they're all gone now, but he did see these.

We don't know what they are. They look a bit like blueberries, but are on trees not bushes. My dad thinks they look like sloe berries. Obviously we don't want to pick and cook with any until we know they are safe.

I thought the MN collective would probably know.

Also while I'm here asking questions. Does anyone know a good alternative to butter in pastry? We did our last cook off almost vegan cheaptastyandeasy.wordpress.com/cook-off-almost-vegan/ but the problem we had was the pastry in the pastry pie. We use butter and an egg in it, obviously if we're doing it vegan then those are out, so does anyone have a good pastry recipe without butter and egg?
We're doing our next cook off next Friday and it was lovely so we're going to do it veggie again but would like the pastry vegan.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

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Nacknick · 04/11/2018 15:11

There's no such thing as "almost vegan"...

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:18

Thanks for that Nacknick, very helpful, it was actually what one of my very strict vegan/raw friends called it.

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Ta1kinpeece · 04/11/2018 15:22

Definitely olives.
Far too much work to process domestically - sad that they are not being harvested for oil.

Pastry - Lard makes AMAZING pastry.

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Ta1kinpeece · 04/11/2018 15:23

(I have an olive tree in my garden here in England - those small black ones are typical oil olives)

OlennasWimple · 04/11/2018 15:27

Can you get Crisco for pastry? Comes out very crisp. Go and rummage in the butter and margarine section, including the shelves as well as the chillers

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:27

Ta1kinpeece
The whole field is just various old fruit trees left over from the allotments. Locals do pick the olives, next time I see some I'll ask what they do with them.
A month or so ago we were going over and filling bags and bags with figs. I have a freezer full of jams, cakes and pies.

What do you do with your olives from your tree?

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Maelstrop · 04/11/2018 15:28

Pastry - Lard makes AMAZING pastry

But is not vegan!

Ta1kinpeece · 04/11/2018 15:29

What do you do with your olives from your tree?
Watch the blackbirds eat them Grin

If locals pick the olives, offer to help with the harvest and you might get some of the oil.

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:31

OlennasWimple
I've never heard of that, will definitely look. Although the butter and margarine section in our shop consists of about 15-20 different things. The supermarkets really are small compared to the UK.

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penisbeakers · 04/11/2018 15:35

They look like sloes.

Butter alternative might be coconut oil.

PickAChew · 04/11/2018 15:37

On a similar note, I have Japanese plum trees in the garden. I hadn't even noticed that one of the trees was groaning with fruit until the branches got heavy in a rain storm and they started splatting all over the pavement.

Ume jam and sauce is a thing, so I looked up recipes. They have to be soaked and boiled so many times and need so much sugar adding to make them palatable that I picked all the fruit I could reach and binned it before either someone broke their neck on the mess they were making or some poor unsuspecting kid tasted one and ended up with gut rot.

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:38

I think they might be olives. They have stones inside. Juice was very red/purple.

Does anyone know what these berries are? Also need a butter alternative for pastry.
Does anyone know what these berries are? Also need a butter alternative for pastry.
Does anyone know what these berries are? Also need a butter alternative for pastry.
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HotInWinter · 04/11/2018 15:41

Sorry, don't know what they are (but dont think they are damsons - leaves to long and narrow). But finding the discussion fascinating.
Would guess veg margarine would work for pastry?

SergeantPfeffer · 04/11/2018 15:41

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/vegan-mince-pies%3famp

I have used the pastry recipe from this and it works a treat.

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:42

I like your thinking Ta1kinpeece Grin

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Kernowgal · 04/11/2018 15:43

They look a bit like olives to me but please, please don't eat them unless someone local can positively identify them. A bunch of strangers in a different country is not a reliable source! They are definitely NOT sloes or damsons, by the way - the leaves and stems are completely wrong.

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:45

SergeantPfeffer I make savory pies for cook off so I don't think vodka and icing sugar would work for that, but I'm definitely making mince pies with that recipe for chistmas! Thanks.

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HotInWinter · 04/11/2018 15:49

I've seen vodka in savoury pastry recipes too. You use it to make crisper pastry, as it reduces the need for liquid (which might be an issue with vegan pastry if you are using softer fats?). It all cooks off in the oven.
If vodka is available easily, id give it a go without the icing sugar.

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:50

It's ok Kernowgal, we wouldn't eat them without checking. We live here and have done for a long time, but just moved to this area and the locals are ace and give us loads of tips and recipes over the old allotments/field. We just haven't seen anyone over there this weekend, I might go and knock on our neighbours door, she's over there all the time.

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DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 15:55

Interesting HotInWinter. My main worry was vegan pastry being dry. I think I'll try that recipe first on mince pies and see how that goes. The first recipe that Gatekeeper posted would also use the bean juice we have left over that would usually get wasted, so I think I'll try that next week.

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mumsastudent · 04/11/2018 15:59

tomor kosher margarine its hard like butter otherwise I just use vegetarian spread just remember that spread marg is a bit more liquid

FreezerBird · 04/11/2018 16:02

Have a dairy and egg allergic child here, and for pastry I use half trex (vegetable fat) and half vitalite (vegan margarine), with water to bind. Makes good pastry.

Obviously you might not be able to find he same where you are, but using all margarine would also work. Not tried using all trex but I would think that would work too.

On margarines - don't assume that one's described as olive oil spread are vegan - they often have a bit of buttermilk in there for flavour.

OlennasWimple · 04/11/2018 16:22

the butter and margarine section in our shop consists of about 15-20 different things

Ha! You're spoiled! (I don't live in the UK either) Smile I'd never heard of canned butter, or all these butter alternatives before, but they are surprisingly good for baking

DiggertyDamn · 04/11/2018 16:28

OlennasWimple Canned butter, that's one I've never heard of! Grin

In a lot of ways it's good. Everything is fresh and hardly any processed food. The size of UK supermarkets bring me out in a cold sweat now. The sheer size is just daunting after so many years here. Although my DP's do send me packages with different spices and stem ginger in, those I would love on tap.

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LakeFlyPie · 04/11/2018 17:45

I think they may be laurel berries which are very poisonous 

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