Do Ed psych reports have IQ scores

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Has anyone had a recent Ed psych report it is an actual Ed psych? Just wondering if an IQ score would normally be included. I was asked for DS score today and he doesn't have it.

No an IQ score isn't done. That's not their role at all. Why on Earth do you want your child's IQ score?

They may look at component scores but not overall.

No, the ed psych is looking for difficulties the child is experiencing and presenting with, I've never heard of one doing IQ tests. They usually observe the child in the school setting for example.

It's not the kind of test that's needed usually. I suppose it might be required if learning difficulties were suspected, but usually lack of progress would be a reliable pointer for that.

No

Sometimes. Dd’s does as one of the battery of tests included her Weschler scores which is one of the tests Mensa accept (though they themselves use a different one.

It was done to build up a full picture due to school picking up on the fact that she had a spikey CATS profile and was under achieving in certain areas despite being highly intelligent. That alongside certain traits and social difficulties

No.
DS has a learning disability and I would have liked to have a score but none was given.

I've seen ep reports that included a full-scale IQ centile score, but that is a bit different to what most people understand by the phrase 'IQ score'.

What's up OP? Any thing MN can help you with?

Ds' has cognitive scores, but no IQ score.

I'm an Ed psych and I do IQ tests if they are warranted. There is no good reason (aside from very spiky scores) to do only component scores and not an overall. The overall is the most reliable as it has the most data contributing to it. Plus not doing an overall score can be highly misleading. For example the average range on the WISC for scaled scores runs from 8-12. If a child has every score at 6 or 7 this might make you think the child is just a little below average, but in fact their overall IQ is going to be very low because it is rarer to have all scores below average than some below average and some in average range.

My DS's report has an IQ score. However it was done about 15 years ago & not in the UK. Like a pp's it has the Weschler scores.

Usually ep report will give a centile score for a range of cognitive attributes. Eg,

"verbal reasoning, 50th centile"

Means that, of 100 perfectly representative children the same age as the subject of the report, 49 got a lower score and 50 got a higher score, so their verbal reasoning ability appears to be average.

Note I said 'appears to be'. Sometimes kids have a bad day. Sometimes they don't co-operate with the ed psych. And the assessment is a snapshot of how things were on the day of the test - progress is not a straight line and things can change over time.

Dds has

CATS scores - given to Ed Psych by school
Précis of difficulties reported by school teachers
WASI scores including Verbal, Performance & Full Scale IQ & percentiles
BAS II percentiles for working memory & Speed of information processing
Word Reading & Spelling age & percentiles
DASH handwriting test
Report of what Ed Psych noticed in conversation

Summary of findings and recommendations.

Doesn't it depend on the age of the child? We were told that below age 8, then don't do an IQ test. At 8, ours had WISC scores, of which some parts were used to make an IQ, but not all the scores, if I understood correctly. I.e. the IQ part doesn't give the whole picture, just a part of it.

Dd was 12.

DS was 9.

Dd's independent ed psych report does the one from the LA ed psych is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard and that's her second attempt after she rewrote the first one when I told her my dd would have got a more useful report had she seen the vet.

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Tests exist from 2y 6m, though I would not use them that young. But certainly before age 8 is possible.

There is no mandated format for EP assessments. The law (code of practice) states we must work in an assess, plan, do, review format with parents and schools, but it doesn't specify what the assessment must entail. I sometimes use IA testing, sometimes observation, sometimes play based assessment, dynamic assessment, personal construct psychology, talking mats etc. All would count as an assessment and are part of the EP toolbox. Some eps don't like IQ tests and don't use them, but there is no national policy stating we must or must not either way. For me it depends on the referral question.

IQ testing not IA.

My son's does but like @dramaalpaca it wasn't done in the uk. I was relieved to see it as when he first had an assessment, for 'global developmental delays' GDD they implied he would struggle /having a lot of learning support needs. I didn't mention it to any other parents or even his school, or my son himself! But I was relieved reading it. So the ''why on earth would you want to know?' comment is a bit silly surely, come on!

Neither DD or DS's reports have IQ scores.

I'm an EP and use a broad range of assessments, depending on the issues causing concern. Im pretty sure that most EP's, including private ones( which is what I am) don't use a full scale IQ score very often. In fact, I suspect most of us never do. Sometimes it's a requirement of my assessment though ( for example, I sometimes assess young Paralympic athletes). If I'm doing psychometrics with a child, I carry out a full cognitive test battery ( normally a WISC) and quote index scores. oldbirdlady is quite right in that this can be misleading, as a child can appear 'low average' across the board, but actually their IQ score would be lower. But on the other hand, I find that the score often gets focused on to the detriment of considering on the strengths ( to build on) and difficulties and I'm always aware that in the wrong hands IQ scores can be used as an excuse for 'why this child can't learn'. As a psychologist, I'm interested in a child's functional skills ( cognitive, social, emotional) within their environments and the factors that promote or inhibit their development, and an IQ score can only ever give very limited information about that.

oldbirdlady but can you imagine the nightmare that must be conducting a full WPSSI on a toddler? Like hearding cats I suspect! I can never understand how those early IQ tests can claim any sort of reliability/ validity.

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It's certainly true than IQ tests are not the definitive reliable indicators of "potential" they are sometimes claimed to be!

However my decision to quote full scale score (when it isn't contraindicated) came after I was asked to review a particular child. "We know he's low average, but we can't get it out of him". The previous EP had described the scaled scores of 7 as "average" and he had an array of 7s, 6s and a couple of 5s. His full scale score, if you calculated it, was at 3rd percentile but the previous EP report gave an impression of a "low average" child and they were putting him under loads of pressure and completely frustrated by his inability to "perform". I don't think that was helpful either - though I completely agree with your comments about working to strengths, analysis of context, etc.

And yes, wppsi on a 2 year old is a big no no from me!

That’s really interesting.

Dds scores are in hundreds and percentiles not single numbers so I don’t know if it was done differently

Eg verbal 153 (99.9th percentile)
Performance 114 (82nd percentile)
Full Scale 138 (99th percentile)

It was an abbreviated test though I think not the full one? I’m guessing just testing the things they were interested in.