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Is this flirting? Cross posted in relationships

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NameChangeToAvoidBeingFound · 30/10/2018 23:40

Sorry this will be long and rambly because I have limited experience in this and no idea what I think or feel and need some advice and I don't want to drip feed.

I'm part of a large social group and everyone is convinced me and one of my best friends have a thing for each other and spend our time either flirting nonstop or bickering like a married couple or teaming up an annoying everyone around us (we both like to wind people up but our friends can't decided if we're more irritating when we're winding each other up or tag teaming and annoying them).

As a result when we go out for meals someone sits between us because if we sit beside each other we poke or prod each other (I am incredibly ticklish and he knows that and I retaliate) but if we sit opposite each other we kick each other (not hard or 'accidently' knock or step on each others toes) because we're children Grin.

It amuses our other friends because we also play fight a lot, usually because he's taken my phone or glasses or is just being annoying so I retaliate and poke him or grab him (we may or may not have physically wrestled each other on a camp bed which ended up with me unintentionally straddling him before he picked me up and 'threw' me on the couch before sitting in front of me while I played with his hair and pulled his ears Blush) to get whatever it is back or when he's humming or blowing in my ear and I put my hand over his mouth to stop it.

One of our friends also managed to get several pictures of us having a tickle fight because that's the type of thing we do, as well as several pictures of him and I 'looking' at each other to 'prove' he goes 'mushy' when he looks at me, and that I can make eye contact and smile at him at the same time (something autistic people struggle to do with most people).

Doesn't help that I have drunkenly messaged him several times (which he is ridiculously smug and pleased with himself about) talking absolute nonsense but generally very flattering things (which is a double edged sword as I probably do think the things I messaged him, I don't lie so he's decided to take it as gospel but I'm also glad that I haven't ever messaged him anything mean because drunk me is an idiot) and he has tried many times to trick me into calling him a 'pet name' annoyingly I've almost called him it without thinking several times and now that word is an inside joke between us and synonymous with our relationship, (my family know because I mentioned it while drunk and some of my friends are aware of but no one that would say anything because he'd be embarrassed).

Our mutual female friends have also think it's telling that he has commented/complimented me on my pjs (they're themed and match the 'pet name') and as my other friends have pointed out are rather low cut (not intentionally and not something I'd noticed because I just have a rather large chest that makes everything seem low cut or revealing). That he is talking to me about weddings and children (as he has said who he'd want as his best man, groomsmen and bridesmaids and who would I have? Where do I want to get married, would I get married in my home town or the city I live in now, he'd like to get married in the city we're living in as it's where we'd met and the church we attend regularly) his words not mine, and his future career when he is incredibly tight lipped about what he is doing with everyone else.

We've a good relationship that is equal parts teasing and annoying each other, helping each other out when we need it or knocking each other back to earth as we both have issues with over inflated egos at times, but our friends seem to take that all as flirting either intentional or not but flirting nonetheless and because neither of us behave like that with anyone else apparently that is proof we like each other.

Especially considering his rather amusing reaction to our male friend, calling me a jokey nickname that my family have always called me, he was rather jealous and tense but got over it when I pointed out other friends calling me it as well (for reference he does have some rather funny/unusual names he calls me and I often call him bigfoot/sasquatch/yeti or chewy). I've also introduced him to others as such because I'm a delight Grin.

Plus they've also seen/heard him singing to/at me something that either makes me laugh or give him a shove to shut up because he picks delightful placed to do it. (Think the middle of a crowded room filled with our friends, walking backwards through the street while looking at me almost daring me to try and shut him up or over dinner in front of my mother, did not enjoy explaining that he does that sometimes).

TBH I wouldn't say no if he asked but I also love our relationship as it is. It's fun and easy and we are apparently alarmingly alike so we get each other and it's nice to spend time with someone, especially a guy who has an equally loud and domineering personality who isn't alarmed or threatened by a woman with a loud or domineering personality who won't take any crap and who won't take any of my crap either. I have a complex medical history that he and our other friends are aware of but unlike the others who treat me as 'delicate' in lots of ways and panic when I look even slightly ill, he doesn't but when I am ill or having an issue he deals with it without making a fuss then or after.

I had a panic in a crowd so he acted like a human shield and coordinated our other two friends who were there to do the same without saying a word or making an issue out of it, I didn't even tell him I was having an issue but he noticed it minimised the issue and walked me through it another time when I was past the point of dealing with the crowd he just gave me his hand and led me out of it. (None of the helping with my health issues I'd consider flirting just being a good friend, I'd do the same for any of my other friends and I think he would too, he can be an arrogant sod but he's also quite sweet when he thinks no one is looking (I do find the arrogance/aloofness quite attractive generally in men), I also think it has to do with the fact that he can read me very well when he struggles to read others) I have Aspergers Syndrome, which his DF and one of his siblings (and I strongly suspect he is also but undiagnosed) also has so to him there is nothing unusual in my behaviour and that's nice and worth more to me than anything because it's genuine, I'm not the 'token' friend, he doesn't moderate who he is or his expectations of me or my ability because he knows I am capable of anything anyone else (and more if you ask him because someone of my IQ and ability shouldn't have to hide who they are to make everyone else's lives easier, he noticed I moderate my personality and ability especially around my family because they can't handle my personality a lot of the time).

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RagingWhoreBag · 30/10/2018 23:48

It’s clearly flirting. If either of you had a boyfriend/girlfriend they would be really uncomfortable witnessing the intimacy between you two, so yes, definitely flirting. The fact that he talks about getting married in the town where the two of you met is worrying! It sounds less like a hypothetical chat about where you might marry someone , more that he imagined you marrying him.

It sounds like you get on great. Why aren’t you a couple?

NameChangeToAvoidBeingFound · 30/10/2018 23:49

He also thought I'd smacked his arse once when I hit him with my bag and he just grinned/laughed and shook his head and looked at me with a raised eyebrow basically an expression saying 'sure you did' with complete disbelief when I corrected his assumption.

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Mammysin · 30/10/2018 23:50

Yawn. You fancy each other.

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RagingWhoreBag · 30/10/2018 23:54

Reminds me of a friend I had at uni actually. It is a bit tiresome to be around people who behave like this! The phrase “get a room” was invented for your situation Grin

Just shag him and get it over with!

CoolGirlsNeverGetAngry · 30/10/2018 23:55

Just get on with it and bang.

noblegiraffe · 30/10/2018 23:55

You’ve got Aspergers so not good at reading situations. If you are constantly having tickling fights it’s because you can’t keep your hands off each other. Yes it’s flirting.

NameChangeToAvoidBeingFound · 30/10/2018 23:55

Mammysin Blush yeah reading that back I can see that. I'm just horrible at reading people and situations. Typically I need to see it all written down and then gather opinions. It's something I'm working on but it's not something that comes naturally to me. The first time anyone 'flirted' with me I spoke to my sister about it and I was so freaked out by it all I wanted to punch him. I didn't but I wanted to because I had no idea how to deal with it. Thankfully she was able to explain and I was able to tell the guy I wasn't interested.

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chipsandgin · 31/10/2018 00:03

Well you are obviously in love with him.

I say this as a (middle aged) woman who has mostly male best friends since school —30 plus years ago sadly— all of whom are totally platonic, but what you are describing is not platonic.

I’ve literally never thought ‘I wouldn’t say no if he asked’ about any of my friends, and have been present & incredibly happy for them at all of their weddings & count their wives amongst my close friends too...how would that be for you?

Have the conversation, it could work out, he may be thinking ‘I wouldn’t say no if she asked’ too, you won’t know unless you say something!

What I’m saying is men and women can be friends, no question, but clearly you want more that that...listen to your other friends who are pointing out the blindingly obvious!

NameChangeToAvoidBeingFound · 31/10/2018 00:08

CoolGirlsNeverGetAngry RagingWhoreBag No sex until marriage, part of the reason Christians marry young Grin.

RagingWhoreBag I'd not thought we were particularly intimate, but you make an interesting point. I know one our friends has said that if her boyfriend was as tactile or friendly with another female she'd not be happy, but I don't think it's something that would bother me because I'd trust my partner. Yeah the marriage talk freaked me out once I'd processed it but I just let it go because it's not like we're dating so I know there is nothing to worry about or any immediate plans to change that.

noblegiraffe yeah a lot of our friends (male and female) have commented to me at least that we can't seem to go more than ten minutes together without touching each other in someway. Blush Our male friends have all turned into giggling school girls and taken to nudging, teasing and wiggling their eyebrows at me about him almost every time I talk to them Hmm which is new and confusing because they've not done that before, which means he has most likely told them about one of the drunken messages I've sent him or said something else that I have no desire to find out about because that's not a conversation I want to have with them.

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NameChangeToAvoidBeingFound · 31/10/2018 00:18

chipsandgin I wouldn't say I'm in love with him. I love my mother, father and my siblings and their children. I'm fond of him and I value his opinions and enjoy talking/debating with him but it's a very different emotion to me.

If he started dating someone or married someone I would be there for them, supportive and happy for both of them, and he has good taste in friends so hopefully I could become friends with whoever he is with. Because first and foremost we are friends, and I want him and all my friends to be happy. (I would take a step back and be less tactile/teasing so as not to upset his relationship as I'm becoming aware most women would view that as a threat to their relationship).

I think if I tried to have that conversation I would either vomit or have a panic attack. I'm not great with that sort of thing and I'd worry it could ruin our friendship which I adore. I've not had many friends and I value his friendship more than I'd ever value a hypothetical relationship.

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AllSouls · 31/10/2018 03:54

Honestly, OP, get a room. And hang onto your friendship group because they are clearly saints to put up with all this oh-so-innocent play-fighting and horseplay and straddling one another and tickling and ear-pulling and inflated egos and discussing your weddings in your themed pyjamas, assuming you’re all past the age of ten.

giantbanger · 31/10/2018 03:59

Another one saying get a room. I would personally find your behaviour tiresome to be around.

Crinkle77 · 31/10/2018 12:48

Hmmm I'm not sure if you do fancy him. You say if he got in to a relationship with someone else that you would be supportive and happy for them. If there would no hint of jealousy or sadness then I would say you're just really good friends. Perhaps he fancies you more than you do him.

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