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Getting around london (no tubes-I'm a wuss)

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Rowgtfc72 · 14/10/2018 11:39

We're due to visit London beginning of Nov. Dh, me and dd (11).
Staying in South Croydon And driving down.
We hope to visit the Science museum and the Natural history museum, certainly central London.
I'm not a fan of the tubes. Nor trains but would rather get on one than a tube. Love buses. We have a car.
What's the best way to get in and out of central London? Is it drivable? The train to King's Cross from Croydon is over an hour.
And how the hell do oystercards work? Or travelcards?
Would appreciate any advice for confused Northerners!

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Urbanbeetler · 14/10/2018 13:11

I have two bank accounts with a contactless card with each so I just use one for me and one for teen relative when she’s staying. Are you sure they need to be in the name of the Traveller?

Urbanbeetler · 14/10/2018 13:12

Yeah, 9 is still peak.

Rowgtfc72 · 14/10/2018 13:19

We have a contactless joint account card dd could use if that's the case.
Putting the train after 930 am only makes it 29.25 and with a change.

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LoniceraJaponica · 14/10/2018 13:26

There are no tunnels between Croydon stations and Victoria. The train doesn't go that fast either. There are tunnels on Thameslink between Cannon St and St Pancras though.

Womaningreen · 14/10/2018 13:50

OP "My hang up ,nobody else's."

this suggests it's an issue for loads of people. My issue is I hate it and it aggravates my asthma, but there's an anxiety factor for lots of people!

tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/july/new-map-to-help-people-with-claustrophobia-and-anxiety

Keehar · 14/10/2018 14:06

Tube really is the most convenient, quick and easy way of getting round London, and I say that as someone with ASD, dyspraxia and anxiety. Occasionally I have sat and waited for the next train as the first one has been too busy, and I once had a bit of a meltdown when needing to get the Circle line, because it's not a real circle like the Clockwork Orange in Glasgow and it was very confusing what platform I should be on, but apart from that it's honestly fine.

The buses are far more confusing. I once couldn't work out what side of the road I should be on, chose the wrong side, and ended up in Battersea rather than Trafalgar Square...

I would be completely in agreement with you if you were talking about the New York underground, which seems to be a weird combination of labyrinth, awkward staff and an escape room. I ended up walking six miles to Wall Street rather than use the underground a second time, but the London underground is fantastic.

ChanklyBore · 14/10/2018 14:12

I visit London 4-5 times per year by train. Once there, I never get the tube.

I find the easiest, fastest, most tourist friendly, and best way to see everything is to walk, so I just walk.

You say you are happy to do so OP, so my suggestion is to use your feet!

Diplomum · 14/10/2018 14:43

Hi OP.

I disagree with everyone saying you need to use the Tube. I commute daily into London and regularly travel round London and I don’t use the Tube at all. It’s very doable! You just need to allow plenty of time. Part of the beauty of taking the bus is seeing things you’d miss if you were underground, especially the buildings. Walking is also fabulous in London if you have time.

Worth getting Oyster cards at the first station you come into. You pay a deposit but can get that back if you return them before you leave. There is a special young person’s one you can buy that is only valid for max two weeks, specifically for visitors. There is the a daily cap, so you only pay up to the equivalent of a one day travel card each day. I just use Google maps to plan trips - in directions you can select just buses on the public transport tab.

Enjoy!

Rowgtfc72 · 14/10/2018 15:04

Can i use an oyster card for the train from South croydon then on the buses later or is the train a different thing. Know it's different zones.

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LIZS · 14/10/2018 15:06

S Croydon is within the Oyster area

HoleyCoMoley · 14/10/2018 15:25

You can use oyster cards for tube, trains, buses and trams. From Croydon you can get the 50 bus to Clapham common station and pick up the 137 bus to Knightsbridge, or the 88 to Westminster, Oxford st and Camden. If you go onto tfl website type in buses from east Croydon, or the whitgift centre and it shows where you can get to, there's no direct bus from Croydon to central London. It's nice to travel by bus, sit upstairs and you can see loads of things, much cheaper than the tourist buses, they can be a bit slow but if that's not an issue then they can be fun.

AlexanderHamilton · 14/10/2018 15:34

Another one saying don’t drive.

I did it recently on a Sunday afternoon because Euston was closed & it was OK but if you don’t know London it’s a nightmare (Marble Arch was a bit hair raising)

We love the tube - (I have two kids with asd & they love the logical nature of the tubes) but now that dh has developed Menieres there are certain stations we avoid like Covent Garden (He can’t cope with the lifts).

A lot is walkable once you get into central London.

Plural · 14/10/2018 15:45

I don't know why it's so expensive for you. On my planner it says £3.40

Getting around london (no tubes-I'm a wuss)
Plural · 14/10/2018 15:46

Ah sorry I'd picked the wrong station was your c.32 return? Because if so that sounds about right

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AlexanderHamilton · 14/10/2018 15:48

The OP is using the Trainline app which is often a lot more expensive than Oyster/Contacless prices for central London.

AlexanderHamilton · 14/10/2018 15:49

Also she’ll be getting prices for both of them.

LoniceraJaponica · 14/10/2018 15:51

HoleyCoMoley I really dislike travelling by bus in London. It takes aaaages to get to London from South Croydon and the stop start traffic makes me feel nauseous.

I used to travel to Streatham regularly to go ice skating and hated the endless journey.

KatherinaMinola · 14/10/2018 15:55

For the museums, get the train to Victoria (perfectly pleasant) and then walk.

If you need to get to North London, the train from East Croydon to King's Cross is fine and then there are tons of buses going wherever you need to go.

The tube is fine off-peak - nothing like rush hour - but I understand if you'd rather avoid it.

calpop · 14/10/2018 16:01

Oyster Card covers up to end of zone 6 which is a few stops further out than S Croydon so you can use the Oyster card for everything going inwards towards London. Local buses only work if they are TFL buses, not a Surrey bus.

strawberryalarmclock · 14/10/2018 16:01

Op says she doesn't want to use the tube, some people seem to be ignoring this!
I lived in London for a decade, absolutely hate the tube and never used it once.
I was a north Londoner so can't really help you op!

strawberryalarmclock · 14/10/2018 16:03

@Diplomum I agree my knowledge of London is vast thanks to travelling above ground! Also love walking around London, especially this time of year.
Miss it everyday Sad

nancy75 · 14/10/2018 17:00

Op don’t buy anything in advance & don’t bother buying oyster if both adults have contactless. Adults use contactless & buy child a one day child travel card at the station. The contactless are capped to travel card prices & the junior travel card can be used all day with no limit.

limitedperiodonly · 14/10/2018 20:19

Don't use the Tube - not because you're scared of it, but because you get to see so much more of London above ground by walking and on buses than underground and that's the point of a trip.

The tube is really handy for getting around and isn't dangerous or uncomfortable off-peak, but you miss so much and that is what you've come to London to see. That's a tragedy. So use it strategically.

I agree with all the people who say get an overground train from Croydon into Victoria. It will take 30 mins and then you can easily walk to loads of tourist places.

Buckingham Palace and Green Park and St James Park are under 10 mins walk from the station. You can walk through either park, which will be lovely if you get a dry autumn day, and end up in Piccadilly in 10 minutes' more and from there you can explore Leicester Square, Covent Garden and Chinatown to the east. People sneer at Leicester Square but it's been cleaned up and kids like it.

Westminster Abbey and Parliament are about 15 mins from Victoria in a different direction, although it all connects up - have a look at a map.

From there you could go north on Whitehall past the Cenotaph into Trafalgar Square to Covent Garden...

But it's 5 minutes' walk south from Parliament Square across Westminster Bridge to the London Eye and then you can continue onto the South Bank and then you can walk east all the way down to Tower Bridge and there is loads of stuff to see and do that would appeal to children and adults.

I wouldn't recommend walking all the way down to Tower Bridge from Victoria - it would take about two hours - and that's just walking reasonably slowly but not stopping.

But if you walked to the South Bank for example, you could cross back to the northern embankment by Waterloo Bridge, said by many people to be the loveliest view of the Thames, to Embankment tube which is a completely bearable 4 mins to Victoria and then home again in time for tea in Croydon.

Someone mentioned the 52 bus from Victoria Station. It's brilliant. I'm sure she's right. It probably does stop near the Natural History Museum but I'm going through the route in my head and can't think. I think she must know where to get off. Ask her.

The C1, which is a little bus, goes from round the corner from Victoria Station to the NHM and beyond, if you're worried about getting lost.

But the 52 route is much better than that. Sit on the top deck at the front, right hand side if you can.

You'll go up to Hyde Park Corner and see Wellington Arch, the Royal Artillery Memorial and No 1 London, which was the Duke of Wellington's house. You'll turn at the Lanesborough (look out the left) which used to be an NHS hospital, but what the hell, London needs more luxury hotels Wink, then it's the southern bit of Hyde Park, Harrods (left hand side), Albert Memorial and Royal Albert Hall (look out the left), Kensington Gardens, Kensington Palace, then it goes off to Notting Hill and Portobello Road if you want. It is a free sight seeing tour.

If you take that route any time between 9.30am going out and 3pm coming back it will probably take 30-40 mins to get between Victoria and the NHM. People go on about the traffic but in those times you'd be unlucky to hit bad congestion. I know it would be quicker on the tube but you'd miss so much.

If you don't want to waste time on the bus back just come back from South Kensington tube which is a minute from the NHM and only about 6 mins to Victoria.

Have a lovely time.

PS You are not a wuss for being daunted by the Tube. I'm not daunted but I'm glad I don't travel to work on peak because people really get on my tits Wink.

PPS sorry/not sorry for the length

LoniceraJaponica · 14/10/2018 20:43

You could get a boat trip on the Thames down to Greenwich.

Rowgtfc72 · 14/10/2018 21:17

We did the boat last time. Dd really didn't like it. I thought it was cool going past all the buildings and HMS Belfast.
Yes train was return from Croydon.

Thank you so much to everyone for such detailed information. It's been so helpful. I'm a lady of lists so I have it all written down. We're really looking forward to this trip. Planning on taking in Greenwich on the Sunday. Dh and I had one of our first times away together there 13 yrs ago.

As a complete bonus my brother may be able to join us on the Fri.

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