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The war on plastic - help please

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Lollypop27 · 06/10/2018 07:21

Last night we watched the bbc1 programme of plastic in the oceans. It was eye opening and heartbreaking. I just wondered if you had any ideas for a few problems I have.

Freezer bags. I do reuse them a few times. I have a large garden and we grow quite a lot of our own fruit and veg. I prepare carrots and beans in portion sizes and chuck them in the freezer in a small ziploc bag. Is there a way I can do this without the use of plastic?

What about the plastic I already use regularly? - squash bottles, washing up liquid etc. I pop the bottles in the recycling bin but is that enough? I can’t afford to swap to the glass versions as they are out of my budget completely.

I follow a few sustainable living accounts on instagram. They have all gone minimalistic. The stuff they had before (like any normal house) has it just gone to landfill anyway? I do a lot of repairs and make do and mend so I am trying to reduce my waste. Is it better to keep the stuff I have rather than replace with all glass? I save jars to use for my store cupboards but I can’t afford to replace everything.

What are you doing to reduce your plastic?

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OhHolyJesus · 06/10/2018 07:26

Hi OP, lots being done - check out the Ethical Boards for some tips and online blogs for zero waste and my plastic free life.

You can lobby manufacturers and your MP but ultimately I believe the onus is on the individual to reduce our single use plastic ourselves and find new ways to manage it.

I am watching the programme in 15 min sections and I find it too hard to bear. I'm really concerned it's already too late and this is what we will leave for our children. Heartbreaking is the word.

Nonomore2 · 06/10/2018 07:29

Following with interest

BikeRunSki · 06/10/2018 07:30

A very simple change, which shouldn’t cost too much, is to swap shower gel for soap.

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BikeRunSki · 06/10/2018 07:31

I mean bar soap .

Can you get doorstep milk delivered in glass bottles?

BlueBrush · 06/10/2018 07:38

It's a really small thing, but I'm trying to use plastic tubs instead of freezer bags and sandwich bags as often as possible. It's still plastic, but I think it's about reducing the use of single-use plastic as much as possible.

enrichedatthegulags · 06/10/2018 07:40

With lots of the household cleaning stuff like washing up liquid you can get refills from hippy health food shops - ask around locally? It's often Ecover.
Re freezer bags I am the same position as you. I looked online and you can get silicone ones from JL but I'd have to buy about 20 (we freeze a lot too ) and Im not convicted they are any better environmentally really. So I just buy thick ziplock ones and wash them up. Not ideal but it works.

fishfingersandketchup · 06/10/2018 07:45

I'm always really shocked by the amount of plastic supermarkets use, most of which cannot be recycled. I get my shopping delivered and like many people simply do not have time to go to markets for fruit and veg. Grapes, mushrooms, strawberries, asparagus, tomatoes, and many more all packaged in non recyclable plastic. Crisp packets, orange juice cartons, yoghurt pots, all non recyclable plastic. I could go on. I throw away so much plastic on a daily basis because I don't have any workable alternative. My point is, until the major players change their packaging, the problem is never going to get any better. Depressing but that's how it is. Sorry, not a very helpful post.

3littlerabbits · 06/10/2018 07:45

Glass jars are great for the freezer. I have old pickle jars full of blackberries in mine. Soap instead of shower gel, definitely. There are loads of nice ones (I like Pears and also body shop soaps). Bamboo toothbrushes cost similar to plastic ones. Bring your own bag to fruit and veg shop. We are making are own bread with bread maker - no more plastic bags and also must be healthier as no additives etc. Tastes good too :). Lush shampoo bars are good - initially pricey but last ages. Good luck - keep making the changes - it’s worth it.

OhHolyJesus · 06/10/2018 08:58

I consciously buy chocolate that comes in foil and cardboard and ice cream in cardboard tubs too. I make my own bread in the machine (the flour and other ingredients comes in recyclable packaging). You can often find better packaging if you look around.

I really love my washable pants liners from Cheeky Wipes but there are lots of options out there now. It’s really no issue to wash them and they are much more comfortable.

Plastic free pantry and nuts in bulk are good if you have the storage space. There are other solid shampoo bar options if you don't agree with Lush's politics...

We use flannels instead of baby wipes.

Some things to try anyway (some are time consuming and everyone has their limits, I don’t believe we can be completely plastic free, but small change adds up!)

lifetothefull · 06/10/2018 09:57

The thing that got me from the program is that I can do a few bits, but if tescos and the like don't join in, it is nothing. I looked at my shopping the day after and almost everything has plastic. I actually can't shop without it although I admit there is more I could do. I think campaigning is probably the most effective course of action.

TravellingFleet · 06/10/2018 10:05

I’ve been trying to cut down on single-use plastic over the last few months. Was feeling rather down about lack of success - and then suddenly realised that I’m filling my recycling bin much much more slowly. I think small changes one at a time do add up.
Im using my Greek yoghurt tubs as freezer containers.

PartridgeJoan · 06/10/2018 10:06

We are also trying this in our household! Some thoughts:

  • use Tupperware instead of freezer bags
  • if available to you, use a refillable washing up liquid / washing liquid. We have refilling stations where we live but I realise this isn't possible for everyone
  • buy large containers of these liquids if not and refill the smaller bottle
  • we keep all glass jars - using some for food storage and others for Christmas presents
  • you can buy (or make) soya/beeswax wraps instead of cling film, which will last a long time
  • Lush, etsy and other stores sell package-less shower gel if you're not keen on soap
  • keeping tote bags in all handbags in case I do any shopping

Hope some of that is helpful!

PartridgeJoan · 06/10/2018 10:09

Also, one of the biggest threats in the ocean is discarded fishing gear which is abundant in comparison to plastic litter.

If you eat fish, try to go for any fish that have been certified by the Marine Stewardship Council.

Most major supermarkets (Morrison's, Waitrose, many others) are already part of the Global Ghost Gear Initiative.

ToadOfSadness · 06/10/2018 10:49

Loose leaf tea instead of tea bags. Most of them are sealed with plastic. Only small but still plastic. Some years ago we were told to compost tea bags, am sure there wasn't plastic in them then.

ChilliJamandAvocado · 06/10/2018 12:14

I've pragmatically come to the conclusion that we need to incinerate our plastic waste, instead of recycling. Modern, efficient, no dioxin producing incinerators like they have in Sweden. I'm a dark green environmentalist, but plastic is so entrenched in our economy and way of life.

Plastic is a waste byproduct of the oil industry and is therefore as cheap as chips. Those fractions would otherwise be wasted (and have to be dealt with as toxic waste) if not used for plastic manufacture. It makes sense to burn them for municipal heating and energy... thus offsetting some requirement for virgin fossil fuels. We need to be just as concerned and seeking to significantly reduce fossil fuel use overall, not just plastic because waste is so pernicious and visible.

Recycling plastic is hugely confusing to the average, and even fairly clued up householder. Many people are "over-optimistic" recyclers and chuck any old plastic item in the recycling box. Many others are half-hearted and chuck items with heavy food residue on. Both meaning that the recycling stream is contaminated and has to be landfilled... maybe being shipped to the Far East to do so.

Recycling plastic isn't like recycling metal or glass, which can theoretically be continuously recycled ad infinitum and retain the same quality. Plastic can only be realistically "downcycled". It can become secondary goods like park benches and polyester fleeces, but there's only a limited market for that, compared to the huge volume of plastic waste. When plastic bottles are recycled, they become slightly yellow and opaque and therefore less desirable to consumers. Yellow looking water isn't going to sell to consumers any time soon Grin

That isn't to say we shouldn't be trying to massively reduce our consumption of the material. I try to buy meat from the butcher's with my own pre-existing tupperware/produce from the greengrocer (or Morrisons where I can do likewise), refill my own shampoo/washing up bottles from the health food shop, use bar soap etc etc. But these are individualist solutions to what is a collective problem. Many people can't afford to do this, don't have the time or don't live places where this is possible. We need solutions from government/industry, not rely on the fallacy of individualistic liberal green consumerism, which is only available to the time/money affluent and advantaged in society.

There's also the danger of unintended consequences. If we shift to more paper use instead, that is also environmentally catastrophic. Paper manufacture uses vast quantities of energy, bleach and dangerous chemicals that get discharged into the environment. It's also heavier, therefore uses more fossil fuels in transportation. Glass is also likewise a lot heavier than plastic and it's difficult to ascertain where the trade off lies... environmental impact assessments are notoriously complex. Also, if we live in a society where transportation of food takes place over great distances, which realistically is where we are, then plastic is to some degree environmentally beneficial. Waste food due to spoilage far is more damaging than the packaging alone.

Recycling to me is merely rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. We should be aiming to reduce, repair and reuse, with impetus coming from organisations, not individuals. Individual actions are necessary, yes, but they're nowhere near sufficient.

Bumblebee35 · 06/10/2018 12:32

You could refuse to buy plastic wrapped things. I'm no longer buying crisps, trying to bake bread rather than buying, making biscuits rather than buying. My husband asked about replacing the ice cream in the freezer as we had finished it and I wasn't sure.when I was little ice cream was a treat and we never had it in the freezer.I make time to get to the grocers, I've cancelled buying clothes on line as they are plastic wrapped. It's just doing as much as you can. The previous posters comments about shampoo bars are good but check lush ingredients for palm oil as farming that is also harming the environment

fishfingersandketchup · 06/10/2018 12:37

@ChilliJamandAvocado very interesting and informative, thank you.

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