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Is a child with SEN a vulnerable child?

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RiverOrange · 26/09/2018 10:28

Pls can you help answer this for some work i'm doing. Do all children with SEN come under the umbrella of 'vulnerable' children or are the two completely separate categories but with some cross over.

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BlankTimes · 26/09/2018 12:08

Many children with SEN are slow to develop emotionally and are often thought to be immature, particularly by their age-peers and adults, including professionals.

That just adds to their vulnerability for exploitation. On top of being socially gauche, not getting inferences and jokes, displaying unusual reactions to stimuli. Consider they can often be ostracised by their age peers as they are 'different' and be treated intolerantly by adults because the kids 'should know better at that age' and 'need to grow up'

Some kids with SEN are very academically able, but simultaneously made vulnerable by the lesser known aspects of their diagnoses or co-morbids.

frogsoup · 26/09/2018 13:38

Blank the problem is that SEN is such a broad designation. DS has issues with working memory, he has friends with dyslexia and ADHD. None of them are socially gauche or find it problematic understanding jokes. Neither are they noticeably immature. Many kids will, for sure, have comorbid issues but social vulnerability in no way a defining feature of having SEN, which surely is measured primarily by educational rather than social or emotional needs.

MyCatIsBonkers · 26/09/2018 13:49

Do you mean children with special educational needs (SEN) or children with special needs (SN). My DS has SN because he has autism and he's vulnerable because his sense of danger is non existent. But he doesn't have SEN. He thrives in school and needs no support beyond what the other kids get.

hennipenni · 26/09/2018 14:01

My daughter has SEN, that doesn’t make her vulnerable, she also has SN, these do make her vulnerable.

BlankTimes · 26/09/2018 14:36

Hi Frog, yes, I agree, SEN and SN do have a very broad designation, that's why I said many, not all.

e.g. Autism is a lifelong, developmental disability that affects how a person communicates with and relates to other people, and how they experience the world around them.
The characteristics of autism vary from one person to another, but in order for a diagnosis to be made, a person will usually be assessed as having had persistent difficulties with social communication and social interaction and restricted and repetitive patterns of behaviours, activities or interests since early childhood, to the extent that these "limit and impair everyday functioning".
from here www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/asd.aspx

For example, not all kids dxd with ADHD will be automatically classed as socially vulnerable, but some will need support as their impulsivity overcomes their self-preservation instincts, running into traffic, climbing and leaping without ascertaining a safe landing etc.
I know those actions can also be caused by sensory processing issues and likely other co-morbids, but I think I'd rather be the parent that was offered suitable therapy for my child, rather than the parent whose child was denied suitable therapy as their diagnosis alone excluded them.

The OP said they are thinking of funding therapies to help "vulnerable children" so don't want to exclude any child who may benefit when they define their criteria to obtain that help. " We can be loose in our definition but specific in our work (which is what we intend) but we don't want to shoehorn ourselves in such a way we cant diversify in future or have to go through this whole exercise again."

On that basis, I'd say include SEN and SN in the definitive criteria, simply because it would be a real shame if any child with SEN and/or SN who could benefit was excluded because their individual diagnosis did not immediately suggest vulnerability but their presentation or co-morbids did.

HairyMaclary · 26/09/2018 14:48

RiverOrange - as a parent of child with SN, a physical disability, I would be very grateful if you could find a way filling the ‘healthcare gap’ as you call it. Now at 13 there is no physio or OT available. He could really do with some support in coming to terms with his disability and I’m sitting in an appointment for orthotics that the NHS can’t provide that have cost us £2600. I’ve also just collected a wheelchair for him that was charity funded at a cost of £2500. We can’t fund the splints (orthotics) any more so after this lot he will have to do without which may mean he can no longer walk... it’s a rubbish choice. I’m looking to increase my work hours but you know... appointments, mental health challenges around coming to terms with his disability etc mean that’s a challenge...

Anyway, after that rant, any help you can give my son’s peers would be amazing. Thank you.

HairyMaclary · 26/09/2018 14:50

But as to your original point, vulnerable does not automatically mean SN or SEN, but SN usually equals vulnerable.

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