Can someone tell me the reasoning behind boys not being able to join hides and brownies but girls can join Cubs an scouts?

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Just asking in light of what is happening with girl guides and policies.

Guides

Guides and Scouts are not two branches of the same thing, they are separate organisations that have made decisions separately. Scouts needed girls as their numbers were dropping. Guides have never had the same problem with numbers so don’t need to include boys.

Scouts had a (temporary) dip in membership and going mixed sex was a good way to generate more members. Also, scouting has lots of female volunteers who are easier to retain if their daughters are able to join.

There is no competition between the organisations. Some girls do both (waiting lists permitting) which is great.

Because girls (female ones, born female with a female body) need a space away from boys (male ones, born male with a male body) where they can express themselves without societal pressures, and boys (please see previous brackets) don’t need the same type of space free from girls (again, see previous qualifier).

They are two independent organisations who both made the decisions they thought were best for their membership

Isitme13 clearly the girls who join scouts and cubs disagree with you

Of course, as presumably do the ones that don’t join either organisation. It doesn’t mean that there isn’t a need.

For all the reasons above. There isn't a need to include boys in Guiding. Scouts needed extra members, so they chose to.

I strongly believe that girls need somewhere they can just be, without the pressure of being around boys, and I completely believe the opposite too, particularly as they get older. I do think it's grossly unfair that boys aren't offered the same opportunity, however there are organisations that are all boys. It's not the same though.

Because everytime GGUK consults the members on if they want to admit boys, the answer from the girls is no.

Isitme13 clearly the girls who join scouts and cubs disagree with you which is entirely their perogative, and possibly why they join a mixed organisation. It doesnt negate the needs of other girls who feel that they do need a single sex space.

One alternative to Scouts:

I know boys who are getting a lot out of membership of The Boys Brigade, including Duke of Edinburgh expedition stuff. Its associated with Protestant churches countrywide and may be worth a look. Some units do take girls according to their website but our local one doesn't.