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Tears and drama getting 8yo DS to school - any tips?!

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KingBobra · 24/09/2018 11:26

I thought by Key Stage 2 we would be past the tears and peeling him off me at the school gate, but here we are... I shall try not to drip-feed so this might be long.

He says he doesn't want to go to school because he wants to stay with me. He finds school boring. Fair enough - he still has to go, and that seems more like grounds for grumbling (which I can put up with) than the full on hysterical sobbing and clutching at me as the teacher pries him off. We have had this intermittently throughout school but I thought he would have outgrown this by now.

There's no bullying going on that I am aware of, and he has friends and a sibling at the same school so I think I would hear about it even if he didn't tell me directly. He had some counselling for anxiety last year which concluded he was unsettled and worried about making mistakes due to a particularly shouty teacher for that year - but his new teacher seems better and his first couple of weeks back seemed okay.

I have previously tentatively suggested that if he hates this school so much we could look at other schools in our area but he's adamant he wants to stay put. So it can't be that awful - and at pick-up time he's usually happy and says he's had a good day.

My gut feel says it's the idea of having to be there for the next 6 hours and being told what to do, and having to do stuff he doesn't want to do that upsets him - but that is life! Once he's there, I don't think the reality is so bad.

School is essentially a whole day of doing what you're told rather than what you want, but he is "good" at school, never had any issues in the sense of him not doing what he's told. It is really hard work at home to get him to do what he's told though. He does seem, dare I say, entitled - in that he expects me to act like his personal skivvy, and do things he's totally capable of, but then kick off if I tell him he can do it himself, or if I tell him to do his (very limited and age-appropriate) chores. We don't ask that much of him at home, and he does get a lot of control/choice over his free time.

We're working on him taking responsibility for himself/his own chores etc, but it is not easy. I don't know how much of this is from not wanting to grow up, and wanting to be babied, like we don't love him enough if we don't do everything for him? He is very bright academically, but emotionally he's quite young. He does feel things quite deeply, to the point it's sometimes overwhelming - an example being the drama at school drop-off.

In terms of getting him out of the door, getting cross with him doesn't work, it just makes him panic. Likewise anything physical like carrying him out the door also makes it worse. So I kind of get that some of the angst is about a lack of control thing, and feeling more out of control makes it worse - but he doesn't have control over going to school or not, that's just how it is.

Jollying along and distraction are the best ways to get him to the school - we can have nice chats on the way but then once we get there it reverts to the sobbing. I don't know what to do to help him, whether it's an issue with managing his feelings or something else.

Sorry this is long. I would love to know if anyone has had a similar experience with their DC and if/how you get out the other side with both yours and their sanity intact...

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FinallyHere · 24/09/2018 11:34

he is "good" at school

It is really hard work at home to get him to do what he's told though

he expects me to act like his personal skivvy, and do things he's totally capable of, but then kick off if I tell him he can do it himself, or if I tell him to do his (very limited and age-appropriate) chores. We don't ask that much of him at home

I , and dare I say many of us, would be exactly like that if we thought we could get away with it. It would certainly be worth a try. Not that I was any kind of angel growing up but I knew my mother would let me get away with anything if I said I had homework and my father would let me off exactly nothing.

Looking back, I can see his approach took much more effort, though at the time I didn't see it that way.

KingBobra · 24/09/2018 11:42

Well, yes, we don't let him get away with it, which is why he kicks off - because he has to do it. Like he has to go to school - it's not negotiable. So I was trying to draw the parallel between where he kicks off at home and how he kicks off at school... or perhaps there isn't one? I don't know.

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Seniorschoolmum · 24/09/2018 11:48

By ks2 your ds knows how to pull your strings, and he is doing his best to get off school.

Unless there is any real reason for his behaviour, I’d tell him to be big & brave and he’ll get a treat after school if he manages it. But DON’T reward him if he kicks off.

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dontknowwasmadetoknow · 24/09/2018 11:49

My nine year old Dd is so similar to this I could have written your post myself.

Over the years we have tried every approach and I'm now completely out of ideas as nothing has worked.

Some things might work for a short time but she soon reverts back and it does cause me worry and stress when I have to leave her at school like this.

At the moment she is going into school 15 minutes early to 'help' in the reception class,but she still has to be physically taken from me while I leave.

I found this last week it might be worth going through it with you child as it makes lots of sense
www.heysigmund.com/how-to-deal-with-school-anxiety-no-more-distressing-goodbyes/

dontknowwasmadetoknow · 24/09/2018 11:54

My Dd has been struggling to go into school since year 1 but she knows she always has to go.
It is not a behaviour issue it's an anxiety issue
She knows that she will have to go to school no matter what and she does go every day

I don't let her stay off school ever so it's not a question of her behaving badly and getting a day off school as she knows this won't happen

dontknowwasmadetoknow · 24/09/2018 11:57

And the offer of treats after school if she goes in just doesn't work as the fear is greater than the reward.

As a parent of a child like this we have tried everything you could probably think and more.

Foxyloxy1plus1 · 24/09/2018 12:00

Would it be possible for your son to go into school a few minutes early and help the teacher set up for the day. Of course, the school will need to agree to that, but it can be a method of distracting children and provoke less anxiety than going in with everyone else. Some children find the hurly burly at the start of the day quite tricky.

Is he OK at break and lunchtimes. They can be anxious times too. Sometimes, small adjustments can make a difference.

KingBobra · 24/09/2018 12:04

We've tried bribing with treats after school, but it doesn't make a difference. We've never backed down from sending him to school either, so you would think he would know by now that unless there's an actual temperature, or vomit etc, he's going in.

Thanks dontknowwasmadetoknow - that article does really chime with me. Sorry to hear your DC is in a similar situation. They say "this too will pass", but it is tough when it has been so long and not passed...

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KingBobra · 24/09/2018 12:09

Foxyloxy+1, that's something to try, I will see if dropping him early would work. I think he is okay at break and lunchtimes. His older sibling has been keeping an eye out and says he seems happy and playing with friends when she sees him.

Useful to focus on it as an anxiety thing, not a behaviour thing... gives me a different angle to tackle it from.

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PooFlower · 24/09/2018 12:20

I would consider that this is anxiety based and not behavioural.
I would try and get help with this now or things could escalate to full blown school refusal as he gets older.
School refusal is very misunderstood. It is anxiety based and usually driven by seperation anxiety or an underlying SEN, often undiagnosed.
Ask school what support they can offer to make things easier for your son.
Be prepared to have your parenting blamed as had been done by several posters above.
With school refusal you can try everything from carrot to stick but nothing will work long term. You need to try to find the cause of the anxiety and put things in place to alleviate it.

turkeyboots · 24/09/2018 12:23

DS can be like this. School recommended a big breakfast, which I was sceptical about. But susgages and toast turn the morning round when he starts getting difficult.
Maybe worth a shot?

KingBobra · 24/09/2018 12:32

Thanks. I'm going to see if we can get some more sessions with the anxiety counsellor he saw early in the year and see if they can unpick it a bit more. I don't know why I hadn't connected it with anxiety before.

Mixing it up with a cooked breakfast might at least make mornings feel different which might help get him in a better frame of mind, I'll give it a go!

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kabs · 24/09/2018 13:23

I suspect I don't know what I am talking about as my little one isn't school age yet. But I have been reading 'how to talk so little kids will listen' and thought I'd suggest one of their approaches.

Sit down with him when he is relaxed. Say you can see school drop of makes him anxious. He has to go though. You thought you could come up with some ideas together to try and make things easier. Then together you write down all your suggestions, nothing too silly (in fact try and be a bit silly). Then you go through together and you each get to veto ideas until you find one you can both live with. If that doesn't work, or you can't agree on an idea, then come up with some more ideas.

Odiepants · 24/09/2018 13:41

This is my 8 yr old D'S too. Pretty much everything you have written could be him with the exception that he's not crying at drop off. He would rather stay at home though and spends the time before the door opens, cuddled into me rather than playing like his friends. I give him secret kisses on his hands when he goes in which is working at the mo. I also let him cuddle up now - in the past I would try and get him to play but that just led to crying and being more clingy.

I would agree about the anxiety. I know my DS is very anxious generally about things. He feels things deeply, has a massive temper and everything has to be right or it is a disaster. He also had a very enough teacher last year who made things worse and its taking long time for the new lovely teacher to win his trust.

Odiepants · 24/09/2018 13:42

Very shouty teacher last year...not enough!

HellenaHandbasket · 24/09/2018 15:49

I don't know tbh. Our daughter was just the same and we withdrew her and home educated for a while. She was miserable and anxious all the time. At 8 she has just decided to try school again and with a few wobbles, is getting into the swing of it. Some kids do struggle being away from home so much so young. Not helpful I know.

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