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Buy to let investors- would you buy if there was one resolved neighbour issue 2 years ago?

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 10:33

Hi,

Actually, I'd be interested in personal buyers opinions too, but was asking buy to let investors because we currently have one interested in buying our house.

We have this worry looming, as we know we'll have to declare it. We've had no issues since and it was a one off verbal comment, but it was logged.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks

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ApplestheHare · 18/09/2018 10:42

Depends on the house and surrounding cirucumstances!

We bought a house where NDN had stalked our vendors for 5 years and taken them to court for multiple issues that were all thrown out by the judge and it's worked out fine. There were lots of indocators rhat the situation would be resolved longer-term though. There are probably other houses with smaller issues where I'd have been too put off to buy, but it all depends on the circumstances. Hth!?

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 10:52

Thanks, Apples. Are you an investor or personal buyer?

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 11:38

Anyone else?

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Singlenotsingle · 18/09/2018 11:43

It would depend what caused the NDN to kick off. If they were crazies and likely to harrass my tenants (and thus cause me problems) I might have to think twice.

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 11:52

They referred to my gf as my bf (even though she's clearly a gf, so a bit antagonistic) Might sound petty, but we thought we were doing the right thing for our community by logging it iyswim. He has apologised and as I say, we've had no issues since and hardly ever see him.

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ShirleyPhallus · 18/09/2018 11:54

You have to declare it? Really?

Under what circumstances was the row with the neighbour?

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 11:57

Because of the nature of what he was saying, it was logged as a hate crime. We might sound a bit snow flakey, but he was saying it to offend rather than as a mistake and given most hate crimes aren't reported, we thought it was important to report it. He admitted it and was convicted.

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ShirleyPhallus · 18/09/2018 12:03

Sorry if I’m being dim, but your neighbour referred to your gf as a bf, you reported it to the police and he was convicted of a homophobic hate crime? Then he apologised and everyone moved on?

It wouldn’t bother me to buy from someone in that situation no. But I would be interested to hear how it falls as a neighbourly dispute rather than a crime / offence between two people iyswim

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 12:08

Shirley, thanks. Do you mean it might not be considered a neighbour dispute?

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ShirleyPhallus · 18/09/2018 12:09

Yes that’s exactly what I mean

But I’m not a legal specialist in that arena so I have no idea. Worth looking in to I reckon.

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 12:11

Hmm that's very interesting.

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 12:29

Does anyone know how I go about finding this out?

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ApplestheHare · 18/09/2018 13:17

Nutella both personal and investment. Your solicitor will be best placed to advise you.

3stonedown · 18/09/2018 13:22

We are FTB so personal. Your particular dispute wouldn't stop me from buying (although I would keep my distance from him). I don't know how it works though, does the buyer know what the exact issue was or do you just get told resolved dispute? As that was make a difference to me.

Sorry if my post sounds like it minimises the comment, it doesn't at all of course.

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 13:41

3stone, I think if we put resolved dispute, it will be flagged up by the buyer and/or their solicitor and then they either decide to pull out or ask for further details.

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 13:42

Oh and I didn't think you were minimising at all Smile

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 14:42

Spoken to the CAB, but they say it's a grey area.

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 18/09/2018 17:01

Just giving this another bump

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 19/09/2018 10:52

Just trying again, in case I've missed anyone who might be in the know Smile

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43percentburnt · 19/09/2018 18:19

You need to ask your solicitor. Make sure you use an experienced recommended solicitor.

donquixotedelamancha · 19/09/2018 18:30

your neighbour referred to your gf as a bf, you reported it to the police and he was convicted of a homophobic hate crime?

It's certainly a dispute if he has been convicted of a crime against you. It does need declaring and while it might put some people off, I think your explanation makes clear it is sorted.

What crime was he convicted of OP? Sure there must be more to the incident than just mis-sexing your DW? (Not wishing to minimise that, but being an arsehole isn't a crime).

Datedandold · 19/09/2018 18:35

My next door neighbours had this problem before they moved next door to me, and had a couple of potential purchasers drop out. It was a one off issue about a tree (!) so not even a real issue if you know what I mean, and was settled amicably. Said neighbour even spoke to one of the potentials but they still dropped out. They sold inthe end though, just a couple under the asking price.

thecatneuterer · 19/09/2018 18:49

That certainly wouldn't bother me if I knew the details. Are the details disclosed though? Or does it just say 'dispute'?

If it were a case of continued harassment, or boundary dispute for example then I would not buy, but the example above would not affect my decision in the slightest. (I am a buy to let LL).

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Nutellaoffaspoon · 20/09/2018 16:55

don, it would be a public order offence. Yes, he was being an arsehole, but he also said what he said to deliberately offend. It wasn't a genuine mistake and so it's classed as a homophobic hate crime.

date, ugh that's not good.

thecat, we've not had an official offer yet, so not put anything. We initially assumed keeping it short, like- one dispute 2 years a go, now resolved, no further issues. Then we thought it might be better to disclose exactly what the problem is up front, as it could end up sounding worse than it is. I mean, I haven't even seen him for about 2 months. He usually keeps himself to himself. As a buy to let investor, under these circumstances, wouldn't you worry about potential gay tenants? I mean, I know the whole story so I wouldn't be concerned, but on paper, it could look so much worse in a couple of sentences.

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thecatneuterer · 20/09/2018 19:33

I in fact specialist in gay houseshares and it still wouldn't bother me. There was no hate campaign, no violence, nothing but a comment. If you don't buy houses based on the fact that the neighbour may have made an arsehole comment there wouldn't be many places to buy.

I understand that it upset you but to me (with my no doubt straight privilege and all that) it sounds like a bit of a non-event - just someone being a dick and there are dicks everywhere. I realise that paints me in a bad light and I don't want to sound insensitive (even though I almost certainly do). However the good news, from a selling house point of view if not from a sensitivity to minority struggle point of view, is that a lot of people (or even most) would have a similar reaction and so your house sale is unlikely to be affected.

(Please don't flame me ...)