Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Would you vaccinate against chickenpox?

216 replies

DieAntword · 09/09/2018 21:55

The aeroplane thread made me think about this and I was reading about it. So they don’t think that people immune via vaccination will get shingles (or significantly more rarely than full chicken pox cases). Is this a no brainer then? Kids won’t get sick and they won’t get shingles later either? The only reason it’s not on the nhs is to stop adults who had full chickenpox as children getting shingles due to exposure? Is it ethical to use kids as a viral vector that way 🤔?

Apart from it costing money is there any reason not to do it?

OP posts:
Dushenka · 10/09/2018 12:41

SpottingTheZebras: I don't think there are any stats on how many adults get diseases they were vaccinated against as children, but it was certainly the observation of my doc and I have also observed it. Here's an 'official' page which mentions this and also the fact that most vaccines are time-limited in effect:
vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/disease-vaccinated-populations

topsyanddim · 10/09/2018 12:43

It’s questionable as to whether the vaccination provides life long immunity, studies are ongoing. Whereas actually contracting it definitely does offer that.

Untrue. It is possible to contract chicken pox more than once. Rare but possible

wonkylegs · 10/09/2018 12:44

OutPinked "It’s questionable as to whether the vaccination provides life long immunity, studies are ongoing. Whereas actually contracting it definitely does offer that. I didn’t bother, they all had it last year and were fine."

Actually contracting it doesn't definitely offer life long immunity. Generally get it once and you will be immune for life but it's not a guarantee. If you get it very young or mildly you are more likely to get it again and if like me you have a faulty immune system (I have an autoimmune disease) you can get it multiple times and still not have immunity. I'm now at even more risk as one of the treatments for the autoimmune disease is to take drugs to suppress my immune system to help but a side effect of this is that CP would make me very very ill. Unfortunately due to the faulty immune system the vaccine is no good for me but I reduced my risks by vaccinating those around me.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

TragicallyUnbeyachted · 10/09/2018 13:26

SpottingTheZebras -- on whooping cough specifically (which is one of the diseases Dushenka specifically mentioned) it's official NHS advice ("any protection you may have had through either having whooping cough or being vaccinated when you were young is likely to have worn off" here and "These vaccines don't offer lifelong protection from whooping cough" here).

Whooping cough is a notifiable disease but (and here I admit I'm moving on to anecdote) it's underdiagnosed in adults. When DC1 was a newborn I had "mysterious really nasty cough" and passed it on to him. He (unvaccinated) was eventually officially diagnosed with whooping cough and admitted to hospital so will show up on the statistics for that year; I (vaccinated as a child) was never officially diagnosed with anything so won't.

Stupomax · 10/09/2018 13:28

I have to correct you: it is now common for adults to catch illnesses they've been vaccinated against as a child. This may be partly because the viruses mutate over time. I myself have had measles and whooping cough as an adult despite being vaccinated as a child. I was told by my doctor that both diseases are now common in adults who were vaccinated as children. It is well known that most vaccinations only give protection for several years and that viruses can mutate over time to 'escape' the vaccine protection effect.

If I understand this correctly, there's a few things going on.
Some diseases need regular boosters eg pertussis, tetanus.
Some vaccinations are not 100% effective eg measles works for 9/10 people per shot, so with a 2-shot schedule it has a 99% effectiveness rate.
Some diseases mutate over time hence we need to keep improving vaccines.

The answer really is to vaccinate as many people as possible to achieve herd immunity.

Measles is NOT common in the US even though the vaccine has the same failure rate here as in the UK - because we have effective herd immunity.

Pertussis has been increasing here, so they have been encouraging the Td booster even before people hit their 10 years.

Chickenpox is very uncommon even though the vaccine doesn't provide 100% immunity, because herd immunity is effective (helped by schools having aggressive exclusion policies for infected students).

All of which are arguments for people getting vaccinations, and staying up to date with their boosters - not only to prevent themselves from getting the disease, but to prevent others who for whatever reason cannot achieve immunity.

snowgirl1 · 10/09/2018 13:29

We had DD vaccinated. The reasons we did was (a) why would we not protect DD against a preventable illness; (b) DD would have to be out of nursery or school for 7 days - as we both work full-time, we want to use our annual leave doing nice things with DD, not nursing an ill child; (c) most other developed countries vaccinate for CP as standard.

Dushenka · 10/09/2018 13:30

@SpottingtheZebras: Re mutating virus evading vaccine (re polio):
www.uni-bonn.de/Press-releases/polio-mutated-virus-breaches-vaccine-protection
Re pertussis (whooping cough): mutations and selection are enabling the virus to evade vaccines: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3460923/

Stupomax · 10/09/2018 13:33

Whooping cough is a notifiable disease but (and here I admit I'm moving on to anecdote) it's underdiagnosed in adults

Anecdotally I'd agree that it's also becoming much more of a problem again. In our local schools many students have had it including several of my children's friends, and my doctor was quite pushy about me getting my tetanus renewed before my 10 year booster was due, because it includes a pertussis vaccination (I called it Td in my post above but I assume he actually gave me the Tdap).

TuscanGreen · 10/09/2018 13:40

My DS has been vaccinated. It isn't always a mild illness - I have the scars on my face as a reminder

Thinkingallowed85 · 10/09/2018 13:42

We’ve vaccinated privately. We aren’t well off and I’m a sahm. The decision was purely to reduce potential pain and suffering for our children. It’s not a fun illness and it’s preventable in most cases.

Labmum · 10/09/2018 13:54

I had my Son vaccinated at 13 months (earliest possible time as we had to wait 4 weeks after the MMR). Would do it again in a heartbeat. I'm also thinking I may pay private for myself to have the shingles vaccination.

A relative's child is suspected to have delevoped epilepsy due to cp, it's not known if there could be a genetic predisposition so it wasn't worth the risk to me.

deepsea · 10/09/2018 13:57

I vaccinated my dc. It should be available to all children

Redgreencoverplant · 10/09/2018 14:38

Yes DS is vaccinated, was a no brainer but we could afford it which sadly a lot of people can't. It should be part of the NHS schedule

Underparmummy · 10/09/2018 14:40

We did one of ours as they had first one overseas where it is norm. Still got cp. Quite often gets ghost cp. Rubbish.

CruCru · 10/09/2018 14:54

I had the vaccine between pregnancies as I had no immunity (tested during first pregnancy).

I was planning to get both kids vaccinated once they were both over 1 (earliest you can get it done) but my son brought it home when he was 2 and gave it to my daughter (who was just under 6 months).

itsonlysubterfuge · 10/09/2018 15:04

It was about 25 years ago. My friends didn't all get it at the same time, but I honestly can't think of anyone among family or friends that hasn't had chicken pox.

RosiesYellowDress · 10/09/2018 15:08

Wish I stood my ground and paid to get the CP jab done instead of being laughed down by the nurse.

Instead I blamed myself for reason ended up in hospital as I could of prevented it

captainproton · 10/09/2018 15:09

just because as a nation we cannot afford to pay for our children to be vaccinated, or for that matter quite a few drugs that would increase life expectancy, doesn't mean we should let children suffer if we as parents have the means with which to pay for the vaccine. We are not cheating on the NHS if we do receive private treatments. If you can afford better healthcare provision for your children then do it.

Certainly many countries offer chickenpox vaccinations. Make sure your child gets the booster and then hopefully they will be fully immune. But even a mild dose is better than death!

RosiesYellowDress · 10/09/2018 15:09

*My child ending up in hospital

Stupomax · 10/09/2018 15:13

It was about 25 years ago. My friends didn't all get it at the same time, but I honestly can't think of anyone among family or friends that hasn't had chicken pox.

The chickenpox vaccine wasn't available in the US 25 years ago. It's not really surprising you all got chickenpox...

itsalldyingout · 10/09/2018 15:17

I had CP at 14, was very ill with it and still have deep scars around my eyes and cheeks.

Can anyone tell me if the shingles vaccine is still useful if someone has already had it? My OH has had it several times over the last decade, though I have never had it. He has it on the head and eyelids and I'm worried it will attack the eye in the future.

I'm about to start on drugs that will compromise my immune system and wondered if he (and/or me) should have the shingles vaccine.

Thanks.

bitchwitch · 10/09/2018 15:28

stupomomwell done.am in US too.
vacs are free/at local health dept/some charge by income but not much
was vaccinated for cp 60 yrs ago /had a mild case at age 5(mom thought my face was dirty!)as a teacher have been exposed many times since -no problem.
all my children were vaccinated,am glad it's mostly gone now,BUT

there is starting to be a measles problem in north america because (mainly) of unvaccinated people from other countrys coming in active.
the other problem is anti-vax parents home school to avoid regulations.but then take their children out in public when contagious.

www.ctvnews.ca/health/measles-case-confirmed-on-air-canada-flight-from-switzerland-1.3839749

www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/08/20/WHO-Measles-cases-in-Europe-surge-to-record-level/1661534780136/

time.com/5389992/texas-flights-measles/

we were the first generation to benefit from salks polio vaccines
i lost an uncle to it he was age 5/have 2 older friends with permanent problems because of no vacs available.

please do not travel when sick.

Labmum · 10/09/2018 15:28

@itsalldyingout I'm afraid I've not looked into it but I'm keen on having the shingles vaccination myself too so I'm interested to hear any responses you may get.

JassyRadlett · 10/09/2018 15:37

It was about 25 years ago. My friends didn't all get it at the same time, but I honestly can't think of anyone among family or friends that hasn't had chicken pox

If it was in the very early days of the vaccine programme you probably had a single dose? That was before the evidence base showed the significantly increased effectiveness with two doses.

itsonlysubterfuge · 10/09/2018 16:17

I can't remember what age I got the vaccine, I just know I got the vaccine and I got chicken pox. It could be that I received the vaccine after I had the chickenpox.

Swipe left for the next trending thread