Corbyn - deeply selfish?

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I have been a Labour supporter all my life. Have never had faith in Corbyn BUT whatever you think of him and even if you're not a Labour supporter it is in the interest of the country as a whole to have a strong party in opposition. Even if you support Corbyn the fact is that he is not leading his party effectively. The fact is that if people think you're a poor leader you are a poor leader, whatever your strengths. He needs to do the honourable thing and stand down. The fact that he isn't says he is extremely selfish - willing to destroy the party for his own personal reasons - unable to put the party and country first.

people in marginal constituencies won't vote for him

You might want to look at the gains at the last election - and even more so the near misses, that will disprove this. Kensington there was a 20% swing from Tory to Labour. In Amber Rudd's constituency we lost marginally but gained 12% of the vote, another 10% gain in Anna Soubry's constituency. These were all Tory strongholds for years, and now could be toppled with just a few hundred votes.

Times are changing, but you need to look at the facts and not make sweeping (inaccurate) generalisations.

I do admit there's a lot of opposition from the Jewish Community. Saying untruths about the issue helps no-one.

But @Bombardier25966 it wasn't enough and things have got worse. You've got to admit that the current levels of disunity and hostility are not signs of an effective leader. It's all very blaming x or y, but it's the job of a leader to unite behind a single vision. This is a basic necessity of a leader. Corbyn isn't even attempting it and hasn't got the capacity any way.

This thread seems to be picking up a lot of momentum....

Not a sufficient amount of people in the right constituencies. Corbyn could get a swing but he won't get a big enough swing to get a working majority.

Let's look at the last election the one that Labour lost. The Tories didn't win but Labour certainly didn't either. During GE campaigns when labour gets fairer more equal exposure support usually goes up but as Labour stands at 37% that will not win a working majority.

Corbyn might win over people on the left or centre left but you need to win over the uninterested middle ground voters. Elections since WW2 show the U.K. population don't like politicians presented as being on the hard left.

Slow hand clap for the sly 'momentum' reference.

He and his cohorts have left me without a party to vote for. He was proposed by a Tory as a joke and the youngsters who don’t remember him as a Marxist agitator have latched onto a so called underdog who needs supporting. Young people usually vote left and the more extreme the better. Once the hard left have had their use of him he will be abandoned. Then we will really be in the mire. Also should the economy run into trouble the move towards the extreme will accelerate. Think back to pre Brexit. Did Corbyn express any view as to how we should vote? No one had a clue! He is a useless article and should be ousted out before any more damage is done to the Labour Party and the Country.

Frank field is an incredible labour mp whose life has been devoted to helping the poorest of the poor.
If you knew anything about him or the reasons he voted for brexit then you would know that. It's come to something when a so called socialist is so Vile about such an amazing mp.

Secondly. Everyone knows corbyn heart is in brexit.

Anyway op it's all beyond think able and despicable.

In one small sense it may be a good thing. We are in enough chaos as we are, the thought of chukka style opposition with time wasted on a re run of the referendum is not good for the UK right now.

We need cohesion on brexit.

Yeah @Bombardier25966, Frank Field supports Brexit. And Corbyn does too.

boney

Someone did step forward and had rocks thrown at the window of thier flat

I am centre-left but will not vote for Labour now. All I see on Twitter is woke beardy bros raging at women. That L Madigan could be a women's officer could scarcely have been planned to be more of a "fuck you" to women. The misogyny is rampant and entrenched. The party represents an existential threat to women.

Who had rocks thrown at the window of their flat ?

Oh, and the other thing I see in Twitter is people throwing around as an insult the word "Centrist", as if being pragmatic rather than wedded to an ideology makes you a Nazi or something. Clearly they don't want our votes, and I'm happy to oblige (though I would very much like a sensible Labour party and opposition).

Happydays, that is how I feel - he has left me without a party to vote for. Even in the worst days of Thatcherism there was a sense that if only Labour could get in things would be better. I don't feel like that any more.

The fact that there is no clear policy on Brexit (because Corbyn might have supported it) is a clear indicator. The Tories have messed it up but Labour is not presenting any sort of opposition.

I haven't even heard Corbyn's voice in the last few weeks. Now, yes there's a case for saying the media are deliberately not reporting him but what is there to report really? Confusion, hostility, disunity. No opposition. No vision. No sense of optimism or confidence to lead. and part of leadership today, like it or not, is to be able to court the media. I'm not a fan of Blair but he could do this, so could Cameron. Brown was hopeless, partly because he didn't really come across as enjoying talking to people.

Corbyn has always been anti EU
For that reason he and his supporters will never get my vote.

The number of Labour party members is irrelevant.
To win a general election (which Corbyn failed to do)
you need to win over millions and millions of people who are NOT party members.

Corbyn is not the person to do that for any party in opposition to the Clusterfuck currently messing up Brexit.

I am deeply disappointed by Corbyn on all kinds of levels:

He was a dismal and almost totally invisible MP when I lived in his constituency for five years.

His actions in contacting Republican political representatives weeks after the Brighton bomb killed five of his Westminster colleagues.

His utter failure to contribute meaningfully to the Brexit election remain campaign.

I'm even more depressed that this thread confirms what I was thinking. Of course you'll always have people saying that they've been supporters of x party all their lives but because of y they won't any more but when you've got people saying it's not because they prefer the opposition or because of any one particular factor but because there's almost nothing left to vote for, there's no recognizable Labour party because it's in tatters then that is something else. This why I think Corbyn is so selfish - how can you witness that and not recognize that it is your duty to stand down.

There are people from all sides of the political debate who are vile on Twitter. I've seen those on the left called communists, nazis, racist etc, Tories called scum, remainers called traitors, anti-democratic snobs, leavers called thick, racist etc. Those on the centre of politics don't have the monopoly on receiving abuse.

I'm so sick of these pathetic little lines trotted out constantly by Corbyinistas, "You are all being brainwashed by the 'MSM' " and "Concerns about anti-Semitism are just a plot by the right/blairites/people who don't love Corbyn".

Some of us are educated, aware, and old enough to have been around when he was supporting the IRA.

Some of us find it hard to believe that he has so often "mistakenly" found himself at a meeting or on a platform with someone with totally objectionable views. He refused to share a platform with anyone from another party during the Brexit referendum. He managed then to refuse to share a platform. I'm no Tory but I'm appalled Corbyn would refuse to share a platform with David Cameron but has done with terrorists and anti-Semites.

The man's a complete fraud. The famed 'principles' are more flexible than a piece of tin foil.

That's what I find so frustrating the at best levels of naivety and condescension in thinking people who are not or no longer supporting Corbyn have got it wrong and it will all be OK in the end. If they don't think and feel that he's doing a good job as a leader then they're not wrong, this is what they feel and no amount of telling them they're wrong is going to make it better. This is the thing about leadership. It doesn't matter how good you think you are or your mates tell you you are if you haven't got the vast majority behind you and 'on message'. When you've got public spats you've got a problem. And WHERE THE BLOODY HELL IS HE? He's not got a national presence at all at the moment, drowned out by all the people talking ABOUT him.

Frank Field's CLP have been taken over by Momentum. The instigator is a hard-left activist, who'd previously been expelled by the Party, reinstated and then moved into Wallasey CLP to try to do the same to Angela Eagle.

Read the Wirral press on line for details about the Corbyn-supporting Cllr whom Field mentioned in his resignation letter. She cooked the books of a charity she was running, with a council grant, to cover up financial mismanagement. She then rang up the employers of the 2 whistleblowers and tried to get them sacked. They were just ordinary members of the public!

Field and Wirral council complained to Labour HQ. They suspended her for 4 months and say that the case has been 'resolved'.

'Toxic' is an understatement to describe the atmosphere at Birkenhead CLP. Long-standing members have been sent to Coventry and bullied to the point of tears and breakdowns by the entryists who've taken over.

Field has a majority of 25,000 plus. No wonder they want to deselect him. I hope he does stand as an independent against whichever UNITE- supporting puppet Labour HQ chooses to replace him. It was a marginal when he first contested the seat. In the last election, he won with 75% of the vote. I think he would win.

The character assassination he's suffered since he resigned is sickening. I don't agree with him on everything, but he's neither a Tory nor a racist. No Tory spends their life trying to eradicate child poverty and you can be in favour of controlled immigration without being a racist. Especially if you're representing a deprived constituency like Birkenhead. 'He was a friend of Thatcher'. What exactly does that mean?Or are you like Laura Pidcott who thinks you shouldn't even talk to Tories.

Op - I don't actually think Corbyn wants to be PM. Too much like hard work. He's only been doing a Mon-Wed part-time job as LOTO. Hates Westminster. They're more interested in running the LP than in running the country.

He is incredibly selfish. He proved that when he lost the no confidence vote but stayed because he said the people were on his side.

No sense of irony. Have you heard of the Prime Minister at all?

The screams of MSM being against Corbyn just smacks of the same tactics Trump supporters use. "FAKE NEWS" and "You can't trust the media". True 1984 stuff. Sure, the MSM has always been biased depending on the source but a lot of what they print is true. It's up to people to look beyond the headlines and source fact from opinion.

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable. I am a labour supporter. I would support Jeremy Corbyn if he were a stronger leader that could unite voters and his party. I believe in most of his policies and believe a labour government is the better option but I live in a district where you could dress a bull in a red rosette and they'd vote for it. It's the swing constituencies that matter and he's not getting enough votes even before AS. If labour want change, Labour need change.

@bastardkitty she hasn't lost a vote of no confidence. There has been no vote.

This thread is actually hilarious.