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Socially -Wendied at work - would you challenge this woman or would it serve me better not to say anything to her

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BillieN0mates · 01/03/2018 12:16

I'll try and put all of the relevant information in without being too long-winded and boring.

I like my job and the woman I refer to above is of course perfectly entitled to ignore me &/or dislike me, but she seems invested in to excluding me and has successfully engineered a few situations that excluded me. She has never ever done anything that you could complain about if you see what I mean.

I am older than her but the other colleagues aren't ageist I don't think. I could be part of the chat if she'd ''allow'' it. She has a way of cutting me out of any social interaction in a group. She's 'sweet' and good humoured and lighthearted to other people.

I don't want to be her friend because I see the lack of authenticity. But colleagues I do want to be friendly with are taking their cue from her.

So this is her Modus Operandi: If I join in the conversation she'll react as though what I said was so dull that everybody is embarrassed for me. Like a pause and then ''well yes *Jane''.

Or she just plain interrupts me and sadly, obviously people do prefer her, as in any sentence stand off, she gets to finish her sentence even if I started first. If I keep speaking it seems like I'm the aggressor. Or, she reacts as though I said something really inappropriate and does a faux gracious thing - rising magnanimously above my 'offensive' remark. This is a favourite gig of hers.

Or she contradicts me sharply as though she is so educated and wise and I'm a bit of a Daily Mail reader. I've never expressed any offensive views in the workplace at all. I know she has a masters but it's not related to our work, and I don't think she knows that I don't have a degree or a masters. She shared her education level with me, I never divulged my level of education.
If I make a joke she seems to reprimand me or it hangs in silence. I did speak to one man I'm close to about her but even though we are friendly - he just doesn't see it and I think he was disappointed in me for what he saw as my jealousy /bitchiness.

What do I do? I can't ask people to include me as that would be pathetic and would not serve me. Do I do nothing but put up with her casting me as a boring weird inappropriate humorless role?

The men could say anything literally any old boring shite and she'd laugh like an enchanted songbird. She's not jealous of me at all, btw, she is nice to the obviously good looking women. She's kind of ordinary looking and so am I but I'm a decade plus older so there's no reason why she should be jealous of me. It's not jealousy. More likely she only wants a glossy posse to reflect well on her Confused

Any practical advice? I hate going in to the canteen knowing that if she's there I can just forget about joining in the conversation. But realistically when she is well-liked, challenging her is going to be very risky. I could come out of it looking like a jealous bitch.

Typing this helped anyway. Maybe the answer is that the thing to do is to do nothing... Or a version of nothing. I may, may risk a mumsnet style ''did you mean to be so humorless!'' the next time she reacts as though I've said something risky. For the record I would have thought her views are very similar to my own but she wants to cast me as a red neck. Not really sure what is going on. Only speculating there.

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Ginslinger · 01/03/2018 12:41

I would avoid her and just talk to others when she's not in a group with them - it's a horrible situation to be in and people like that are very manipulative but I think the best thing you can do is smile your way through it, regardless of how awful it is for you. She will eventually be seen for what she is and she will HATE the fact that she's not getting to you. If she excludes you from social events then ask what happened to the group generally - did you miss the email or whatever. Flowers

BillieN0mates · 01/03/2018 16:09

Thank you for replying. Yes I think that all I can do is carry on, smiling.

I hope that time passing will resolve things. Brew

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chinnyrekkon · 01/03/2018 16:21

God, tough one. I think I'd suggest just carrying on as you have been.....as long as the others aren't being turned against you. Any attempt to change would be noticed, and if you became suddenly cold to them all, you would find it hard to come back from that place I think.
Maybe, let yourself be a bit perplexed and amused by her silly ways.

I might allow myself the odd comment such as..."Oh, I miss being your age! Although I was never so...Ernest! " jolly laugh.

DameFanny · 01/03/2018 16:26

What sort of jokes are you making OP? Could it be that they are actually low-level racist or sexist, but you've been used to not being challenged? Happy to be wrong, but you've mentioned 'offensive' and 'red neck' which has me wondering if you maybe just need to check yourself?

BillieN0mates · 01/03/2018 17:21

Glad you're happy to be wrong @DameFanny, cos you are! I'd have a bit of a rep for being a social crusader amongst people who know me well anyway. Also my children are mixed race so I can assure you I'm not making low level sexist jokes and not realising it Confused. And I identify as a feminist and the only views I've verbalise at work that could be even slightly outspoken are feminist. But even then, I don't know why that would bother her.

It is hard to explain, when somebody takes what you've said and gives it the most negative interpretation possible - every time, it makes you wither. And she's good at it. I am becoming afraid to say anything now that isn't 100% factual, so I feel my personality disappearing around her. I become the boring person she wants me to be around her because I'm afraid to say anything in case it's boring, obvious, stupid etc... But reading your comment that it might actually be my own fault was helpful in an indirect way. It makes me realise why I can say nothing. I can never ever raise this as it seems to create 'smoke'. Even the one man I confided in at work, I'll never raise it again.

Interestingly perhaps, the only other colleague she treats in the same way is Indian. She ignores her even more than she ignores me if that's possible. We have discussed it. My colleague said she is looking for a husband at work and I did laugh but I don't want to get in to need to outlet of bitching. I'd rather just deal with it somehow.

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BillieN0mates · 01/03/2018 17:26

Chinnyreckon, that's a good one! ''I was never so........... ernest at your age''. I will store that one! Just knowing I have armour if I need it helps me.

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Timefortea99 · 01/03/2018 17:32

Sometimes people just take a dislike to somebody without any discernible reason. You could remind them of someone they have issues with in the past. Seriously ignore. You are making her a giant in your mind. She has no power over you. It is annoying but it will pass, things change. Mentioning it to other people is making it a bigger thing.

DameFanny · 01/03/2018 17:33

Huh, maybe she's the Daily Mail reader then? If she's ignoring both you and your Indian coworker, maybe you don't fit with her idea of 'proper' people, and so you can't join her clique...

What kind of work is it? What sort of interaction do you have on the job?

MistressDeeCee · 01/03/2018 17:36

I'd ignore her completely. She's a work colleague not a personal friend. Why care what she thinks. I worked with someone like that many years ago now, I just completely disengaged. I was there to work not take nonsense from her. I spoke and socialised with colleagues who did the same with me, anyone who didn't - so what.

I wouldn't confront her or let her know in any way that she'd got to me. I do wonder at times why some people are so weak that they can't see through people's games - I would notice if someone treated a colleague as she is you. I wouldn't join in either. They likely do notice but are into the enthralled thing, if she has a strong character.

Just go to work do your job chat with people who are nice, and don't give her another thought. People who pretend not to see the situation aren't worth your time.

BillieN0mates · 01/03/2018 18:08

You'd laugh if I told you what we do! Officially she would champion the rights of any minority group - whilst being blind to the existence of an individual from that group.

Thanks for your post mistressceecee, you're right, I am there to work and what my boss thinks of me is my priority. I shouldn't be giving it thought on my snow day! Right, off to drink a glass of red wine and eke a dinner out of some slightly past their best supplies at the back of the fridge!

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DameFanny · 01/03/2018 18:42

Leftovers and ends make the best meals :-D

Terfinater · 03/03/2018 01:26

I think they all sound quite unpleasant really. The others must have noticed. I would be inclined to have one on one conversations with other people outside that group.

BillieN0mates · 07/03/2018 19:48

Today at work I asked her if she was going to the shop. I only asked her that because another colleague seemed to listing off chocolate bars. I was just trying to make conversation really. She said 'eh. no.' like it was the stupidest question she'd ever heard. She did this cross -eyed expression which I SAW. Then she went to chat to young handsome guy who she is unsurprisingly LOVELY to.

I won't say anything to her but omg, she's so inconsistent! So lovely to the men. And absolutely determined to consider me weird. She was also sharp with me in the canteen earlier. Tried to tell me where to sit. I ignored her and just pottered about by the microwave. She was fearful I might end up sitting near her and blocking her access to the men people she really wants to chat to. I don't think people have noticed! The other colleague she considers beneath her has noticed of course!

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DameFanny · 07/03/2018 21:06

Polite smile and swallowed laugh is the way to go I think. Get David Attenborough's voice in your head any time you see her, narrating what she's up to - gives you a lovely bit of distance from the whole situation, and means you won't be pulling any faces that give her ammunition

RaindropsAndSparkles · 07/03/2018 21:16

Question OP. You are married? Happy? Secure? All things she isn't. She's a bitch. For all I know you may be a bit odd, a bit socially unaware. She remains a bitch.

Nod and smile. Make friends with the other person she looks down on. Be nice.

Work place bitchiness is really awful.

I wish you all the best. Some work groups are simply toxic. Some times it's best just to move on.

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