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Very Intrusive neighbours

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Plsstopsnoring411 · 28/06/2017 02:30

So this is a two level issue,bear with me!!! LONG POST AHEAD!!
we moved here about 6 months ago and find all our neighbours very welcoming and friendly. We are very happy. However our immediate neighbours are around our parents age and I think seem to be becoming very attached to us as we are the same age as their kids who have all left home, they mean well. However I am finding them increasingly intrusive so I cannot sit out in the garden or go in/out without being disturbed and it's not just a "hello" it's lengthy chats at the sacrifice of other things like my toddler crying for his dinner etc, if I come home from work early and have a nap they are knocking because I shut the curtains and they were "worried" and I am expecting my second child in a few weeks which means every time I leave the house unexpectedly or we go out for the day, they are immediately round knocking when we are back because they were so so so "worried" I'd gone into labour (I mean it's nothing to 'worry' about anyway????!!) but it also bothers me they clearly are watching my every move. They are very intrusive and ask a lot of personal questions I don't like to answer, she's demanded my mobile number (she was stood with a pen and paper I couldn't refuse) and if they manage to wrestle their way into the house if I'm off guard they are so nosy she reads my calendar and to do list and even my notes to my husband. They're hugely overbearing but in a sickly way they keep on about how wonderful we are and what a wonderful mother/wife I am and how wonderful we've made the house look, and actually i feel very hostile like it's none of their business anyway as I never invited their opinion on our house or how they can judge me when they don't know me. We've usually been very close with all our neighbours in fact we cried when we moved and still see our ex neighbours regularly so I'm not socially awkward. I just find them so uncomfortable and over bearing it's so stressful I usually cry when they leave. Usually I'd get by with polite avoidance and a bit of bluntness but there are 2 major issues I can't seem to get a lid on!!
1)The biggest issue I'm having by far is they are very affectionate to my 3yo and very interested in him and it makes me really uncomfortable. They'll deliberately catch me when I've got him or look over the fence chatting when we are trying to play. They keep on about how "lovely" he is- it's creepy. So when they do catch us out and about they keep picking him up, kissing and cuddling him which I find really odd as we barely know them (friends/family wouldn't make me feel uncomfortable) furthermore they've started just walking off with him into their house without asking to get treats or the other day they came over and "invited" themselves upstairs to go see his new painted bedroom, being a confident 3yo he obliged and took the woman to go see his room, then she told him to go show her husband too, so he took his turn, I felt really uncomfortable at an adult male I don't know being out of sight with my toddler in his bedroom, never mind the fact that they had a good old nose upstairs without my permission and have seen our nursery etc which was kind of personal. But she was halfway up the stairs and I was blocked by her husband wittering on before I could register and speak up. I don't like him being out of my sight with people I barely know and who make me so on guard. He used to go off with my ex neighbours to play with their watering cans and I never got that feeling, we've known them
For over 6 years and trust them greatly they are lovely people. But this is waaaay different. It makes me really uncomfortable I just want to scream at them to leave my son alone but I am also a people pleaser and do not wish to offend....am I over reacting? How do I address this without causing offence??? As it's happened a couple of times have I 'missed the boat' on telling them I'm not happy? I don't want to fall out with them as I imagine that would make life very hard, or should I say they would?
2) furthermore- how do I stop them calling round the second the new baby is born and doing the same again? The last thing I want when I'm leaking all over and feel like death is nosy overbearing over familiar visitors- also I desperately want to get the hang of BF this time and the last thing I need is nosy overbearing guests that won't leave when I want to feed, and I don't feel I can just buggar off upstairs to feed if they won't leave and leave them downstairs as my toddler will be here and I don't feel comfortable with that either!!!!! Any advice? I fear not answering the door isn't enough as they'll knock and knock or simply catch me when I have to go out.
All this is the shortened version there have been a lot more behaviours that are just so overbearing and make me so uncomfortable- e.g. At the weekend he managed to spot me from his garden in our far bedroom doing some diy, I was in my pjs as none of my "diy clothes" fit so was really inappropriately dressed and I was shocked he was calling up I don't even know how he spotted me to be honest and I'd go as far to say I was very blunt I said "I can't talk I need to finish the painting before it dries" he still kept calling up and I had to tell him repeatedly the same thing about 5 times, then he said "Is it easier if I pop round quickly rather than shout up" I literally screamed NO at him and had to insist I'd go round when I was done to see what he wanted. That's just another example the list goes on- that said they are very kind people and are always bringing sweets for the kids and biscuits etc but ifnim honest that just adds to the over bearing-ness and uncomfortableness! I feel like a prisoner in my own home and I just want to keep my child away from them!
Am I over reacting? Is it my hormones? How do you tell them to back off without offending? What do I do when hubby is back at work and can't fend them off at the door for me?most of all- How do I get them to leave my toddler alone???

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T00ManyB00ks · 28/06/2017 02:38

You might need to worry less about offending people!
You are perfectly within your rights to not have strange people in your house with your child without your permission. Ask them to leave, be a broken record about it.
If they speak to you when you are leaving/ coming in to the house speak very firmly and tell them it's not a good time. Repeat yourself until the message goes in.
What does your husband think of all this? Do they do it when he is around? Perhaps he needs to say something?

Cavender · 28/06/2017 02:51

You aren't overreacting. It's not just hormones.

However you need to put on your big girl pants.

The only way to solve this, is to grit your teeth and be very direct.

"please put him down"
"He's not allowed into your house without me, please don't do that again"
"It's not convenient just now, you can't come in"

... repeat ad nauseam.

You need to get better at standing in the doorway and physically preventing them coming in.

It will feel rude, but it's not. It's just you defending your space.

As for after the baby is born, get your DP to go round after the baby is born with an update, perhaps show them and picture but with very clear instructions that you are establishing feeding/recovering and are not to be disturbed.

Will your Mum/MIL be coming after the baby is born, can you set her in them? Demonstrate that there is an active Granny already and defend you?

I have found in life that you can say pretty much anything in life if you say it with a big smile, firm tone and steely look in your eye.

Stop worrying about rudeness. They clear have no manners - who
goes upstairs in someone else's house without invitation? Or reads their calendar?

The new baby is actually a great time to change the relationship- you can blame almost anything on post partum hormones.

Plsstopsnoring411 · 28/06/2017 02:54

Thanks for your balanced reply @T00ManyB00ks - they have done it around my husband before, but he's often a bit oblivious to things like that and won't notice at the time. However he went nuts when I told him (in a flap) about the whole going upstairs thing as even our family hasn't noses at the nursery yet, it's sort of a bit of a privilege in our eyes I guess. He told me I should have just said "no please don't go upstairs" but it was just one of those moments you are caught so off guard. I have asked him that if we are out front (as we often are with bikes or gardening etc) and they try picking our boy up or taking him off that he says something as well instead of leaving it to me then going mad and I think he's so annoyed about them inviting themselves upstairs he might well do from now on. Especially as it makes him feel uncomfortable too.

My husband is not as "nice" as me and won't bother with platitudes so he just carries on with what he's doing when they keep popping up or round and gives a one word answer infact he's told me he's often just answered "don't know" when they've asked intrusive questions which is ridiculous as they must know he knows these personal things (we are polar opposites on the social front he literally doesn't care who he offends which is probably why he's so chilled out!!!!!) this seems to work well for him as they'll leave him alone, to the point where he gets sent over the trenches as it were because he seems to escape them much more efficiently. he's advised me to do the same and although I struggle I have been trying to implement it- last weekend I was cleaning the fascias out front when they popped out and I just kept my head down and kept scrubbing and gave a "yes fine thanks" response and left it at that didn't even look up. But then the wife came over and stood right in front of me where I was cleaning to the point where I had to lean round her legs to carry on cleaning and started demanding to know all sorts about baby etc. I don't know if they've cottoned on that I'm a soft touch! I work in healthcare and am very "aware" of other people's feelings and being approachable and not offending which is probably my downfall- I think you are right I just need to keep up the bluntness on that front!!!

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Plsstopsnoring411 · 28/06/2017 02:57

Thanks @Cavender I think you are right!!! Our parents live quite far away so won't be here for any length of time but my mum has already offered to be "front of house" and she has no issue with being blunt. In fact she's advised exactly the same as you both and I do feel I'm getting to the stage where I'm going to have to suck it up and say something. Especially on the toddler front I think I actually felt so violated and uncomfortable the other day I owe it to my little boy to say something (he's a happy confident kiddy and thinks nothing of it though!)

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Plsstopsnoring411 · 28/06/2017 02:59

Ha ha and yes @Cavender your last point about the baby being the changing point- I like that, a good excuse to set new boundaries (and blame the hormones!!!)

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Chottie · 28/06/2017 03:13

I've read your post and this is just awful.

These people have no social awareness or personal boundaries. You are being far too nice and polite. They need to back right off.

I felt anxious when I read about them encouraging your toddler into their house and getting him to take them upstairs in your house. If you do not feel comfortable about this, do not allow it to happen. Tell them no, don't answer the door when they ring. If they know you are in, just lean out of the upstairs window and say it's not convenient right now and shut the window. End of conversation.

Who goes upstairs in someone's house uninvited? Tell them straight, I do not want you to go upstairs, if you can't respect my wishes, leave my home.

Block their number on your phone,

Do not invite them into the house.
Put up a higher fence or add trellis to the existing fence.
Put a sail type awning up in the back garden to block their view of your garden (and of you and your family).
Get your husband go round and say you are finding the visits / calls / endless conversations too much and you need to rest and they need to respect this.

Stay strong and don't be bullied by them. Flowers

TabascoToastie · 28/06/2017 03:18

They sound like bullies and stalkers.

Forcing you to do things after you have screamed no?? That's not clueless friendliness, that's aggressive.

Start being rude to them.

Can you get a chain on the front door so they can't barge or talk their way in?

Cavender · 28/06/2017 03:19

Plss Grin Bless you, I can guarantee you that they already realise you are a soft touch!

My Mum always told me that you get what you settle for in life and I think it's true.

You are settling for their poor behaviour and allowing them to walk all over you. Your DH behaves more assertively and as a result is left alone.

In an effort to be polite you are being a doormat. But there is a looonng spectrum of behaviour in between door mat and agressive.

Positive but assertive is what you want to aim for.

It's your house, it's not rude to set boundaries about who comes in and when.

Children give you wonderful excuses for stuff. "I really must chase you away now as it's time for food/nap/walk/music practice/homework etc etc etc.

The other thing which might help is a notice on the door. "Baby sleeping/feeding please ring for deliveries only" If they knock, open the door in the chain and say cheerfully "I'm busy feeding. Didn't you see the sign? Must go"

As for rude questions there are a few ways to go:

Silence and a raised eyebrow. You need to practice this one because you mustn't break first! It's really effective though.

"I'm sure you know that's not your business."

"Why do you ask?"

Depending on what they ask just ask the question back "why? How much do you earn?"

user1493413286 · 28/06/2017 03:21

I'd agree with what others have said but would also add to trust your instincts when it comes to their behaviour around your son. If you don't like how they're behaving (and it does sound completely inappropriate) then you don't have to let them do it. Also when the baby comes be prepared to say no when they ask to have a hold as I can imagine they'd be quite overbearing with trying to.

DownUdderer · 28/06/2017 03:31

You don't have to please these over baring busy bodies. So what if you offend them? So what? You don't want them in your life don't let them in. Be very firm.

thethoughtfox · 28/06/2017 09:56

This is getting dangerous now. Your child is now being put in circumstances that are making you uncomfortable. Put your children, and your sanity, first.

Justmuddlingalong · 28/06/2017 10:05

You know this'll get worse when the new baby arrives if you don't deal with it now. Go to their door together and tell them you feel claustrophobic by their behaviour. Set boundaries, keep to them. The thought of doing it is cringy, but something has to be done.

Plsstopsnoring411 · 29/06/2017 09:33

Thank you all for your responses, @Cavender @Chottie @TabascoToastie @user1493413286 @DownUdderer @thethoughtfox @Justmuddlingalong and anyone I've missed, they've all been really helpful.
I feel much more sane as I was worried it was my hormones making me a bit crazy but when you type it back like that it seems really clear it's not acceptable behaviour! I agree- this will only get worse with new baby and I would feel really uncomfortable them trying to have a hold etc without an invitation from me. I feel much more confident in moving forward. A few people mentioned a sign on the door- I have started looking for one or a blackboard, I like the idea of "except for deliveries" so it is clear that there literally are no exceptions (I will be making a concerted effort not to order things and ask friends to notify me if they are posting items so I can avoid answering the door as much as possible!)
You are right, their behaviour to my son makes me very uncomfortable particularly so I am going to use that as my "motivation" also as I'd never forgive myself if something did happen, that would be atrocious, I owe it to him and the baby to keep them safe.
Also I'll feel much better in myself not accepting this behaviour, as you've mostly pointed out, it's going to take a bit of strong will and a few awkward moments but in the long run will all pay off!
Thank you all for your time giving your opinion and advice, as you can imagine I'm on edge a lot at the moment and you've all really helped!!!!Smile

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Slimthistime · 29/06/2017 09:38

I would actually go round there, don't wait to bump into them.

say "I find your behaviour intrusive, alarming and harrassing. Do not contact me or my family again".

seriously. These people don't understand anything other than the most blunt statements.

HepKestrel · 29/06/2017 10:04

can you get a chain for your door?

Thinkingofausername1 · 01/07/2017 19:27

Yes a chain is definitely a good idea. Also block them on social media.
They sound weird and I would feel the same as you do. Sometimes you need to be rude to protect yourself and your family

Justhadmyhaircut · 01/07/2017 19:33

"except for deliveries"
Gives them scope to bake a cake to deliver!!

Plsstopsnoring411 · 01/07/2017 21:49

B&Q tomorrow for chain- yes I agree. Something really isn't sitting right, ran the saga past a good friend on Friday and she basically said "trust your gut instincts" and the more I think about it the more I realise how uncomfortable I feel about a lot of aspects of their behaviour- confirmed today with another uncomfortable invasion of privacy whilst I was hanging out my washing! (Too much of a long story to repeat but the same theme, made extra weird by them announcing "and here she is....{and my name}" whilst peering over the 5.5ft fence as if I was a surprise guest of honour exhibit in my own garden, I had my back to the fence as I was at the washing line and it frightened the life out of me, especially to turn round and see a face, then had the usual inquisition and invasion of privacy, luckily son was inside!!!)

Really building myself up now as I know in the near future we will get caught on the driveway with them with little one around and I just want to protect my child. I think I'm getting to grips with controlling my interactions with them being blunt/honest and husband seems to agree- plans are in place for extra privacy round the 'perimeter' but I just know that what I can't control is them being outside and picking up my son- so I know that's when I'll actually have to speak up and really be blunt. I literally don't know what to say- as everyone has said, I don't think subtle will cut it!!!

Ha ha @Justhadmyhaircut I think you might be right there!!! I think I'll just sacrifice the deliveries to be honest!

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ifcatscouldtalk · 01/07/2017 22:25

I would hate this. I bet their kids that have moved out stay well away if they are that overbearing. I would ignore the door. When they get "worried" about the curtains being closed I would say "Goodness I feel like your stalking me." Don't give explanations. When baby arrives maybe get a stern relative to have a word about you needing some rest and space. Walk to door with phone in hand, you can't talk. When husband is home get him to answer door as he sounds a bit more direct. Don't let them in your house, you are too busy! If they are insisting on seeing baby get husband to knock with baby tucked up in car seat on his way out & say " Must dash, just to say all is well, thanks for the card" or similar. Just some ideas. Good luck.

Silverthorn · 01/07/2017 22:26

This sounds like my worst nightmare. You poor thing. I can't believe she stood in your way!
Practise several stock phrase with a deadpan expression. Or copy your husbands lead and ignore them (earphones when hanging washing). Chain for the door. Stop accepting sweets and cookies as the dentist is worried for ds teeth.
Any deliveries you do have, will have to have a note 'do not leave with xx neighbour' also.
How stressful. Can dh have a word?

Cookiesandcake · 26/07/2017 10:06

Only just seen this thread and I really feel for you. How's baby and have you managed to get them to back off?

Sparrowlegs248 · 26/07/2017 10:16

Sorry Op, I've not rtft but I have read your posts. You really do need to be firmer. Next time they knock when the curtains are closedn say "please don't knock when the curtains are closed, I won't answer again." prep yourself with answers. Even if it's just 'No'.

If you can't face speaking to them, wrote a note to tell them that you will only be receiving specified visitors when the baby is vborn and that you will tell them if/when they can visit.

Practice saying "no thank you/no its not convenient" etc. Also, remember, you don't have to explain anything to then. No is enough. Leave the gap for them to fill, which they will, then repeat (if you want) No.

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed · 30/07/2017 07:56

Don't sacrifice the deliveries! The neighbours will take them in to force some kind of interaction!

caca1986 · 22/08/2017 07:34

you are not over reacting I have one 2!
we moved to our house about 2 1/2 years ago and once she knew we had a lg it started I don't like to be checky or anything hate confrontation at all costs so never said anything she started buying my lg things then it started with all our bdays etc now fast forward she walks into our house if we ignore her knocking at the window and stuff she walk round the back! she took my phone number and texts every morning and night or if I go our to see were I am that ones new cause I due in a few weeks my 2nd baby! the past week I've been keeping my blinds closed and locking all doors when home saying I need rest lol but now I'm panicking that once I have this new baby I won't get a break she'll be in everyday lifting her and stuff and I won't have the strength to do anything having a planned section! But my partener has said he will be telling her straight! so I understand exactly how you feel your not alone I'm at my wits end 2 and don't want to cause bother! Xx

Greenkit · 25/08/2017 00:03

How are things going OP?
Have you had the baby yet?

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