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Guest blog: The Daily Mail implies that the Philpott tragedy is the logical outcome of 'benefits culture' - shame on them.

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KateMumsnet · 03/04/2013 16:01

In a guest post today, MN blogger Rachel Coldbreath responds to today's Daily Mail front page.

Stop the press! Life's certainties have been updated. They now include death, taxes, and the Daily Mail trotting out a dollop of poorly-written hate speech, directed against the most vulnerable group imaginable.

On top of their already dreadful burden, today the Philpotts' surviving children have had to look at a front page that proclaims that they were 'bred... to milk the benefits system'.

We can only guess what must they think about their place in society and their worth to anyone. They are not alone in suffering as a consequence of these headlines, though. The Daily Mail's focus is as much on the notion that people on benefits are 'evil', as on the terrible crimes of the Philpotts and their friend Paul Mosley.

With the Mail insisting that Philpott's 17 children existed to 'net him £60,000 a year in benefits' (that figure is the Mail's), it is easy to lose sight of the fact that a large part of those benefits were for the care - the feeding, the housing, the clothing - of his children. Rather than a life of tax-payer-funded, sextastic Riley, the Philpott's living arrangements look more like crushing poverty.

They lived in a three bed semi with a third adult, Lisa Willis, and her children. Before Willis left that house (taking her children with her), there were three adults and eleven children living together. Even if we assume that the arrangement was cosy enough that all three adults shared a bed, that leaves two bedrooms split between eleven children. I am not sure under what circumstances this setup would be regarded as adequate housing. I am certain that it would not be regarded by any sane person as an incentive to stop working.

When Lisa Willis left the Philpotts' house, the DM informs us that she took with her 'more than £1,000 a month in benefit payments'. We are supposed to think this is an enormous amount of money. It's worth doing the maths here: between Willis and her five children, that £1000 is £166 per month, per person.

Each of those human beings was living on about £37 a week.

Yet the Daily Mail's headlines on this case suggest that murdering six of your children is almost the logical outcome of receiving benefits. As if people who are unemployed or poor for other reasons (disability, illness, being a carer for a sick relative), are an evil-eyed bunch, dodging their responsibilities, churning out children as fast as possible and, behind dirty net curtains, plotting their deaths for fun and profit while raking in great drifts of creased notes.

These headlines are perverse primarily for the fact that they paint Philpott's unique wickedness as an inevitable result of the system designed to pick us all up when we fall. And most of us fall, at some point.

Even as I type this with the BBC News channel on in the background, the presenter has just asked Ann Widdecombe: 'to what extent is [Philpott] representative of people on benefits?'

I am fed up to the back teeth with this rhetoric.

Anyone can lose their job. In fact, with the goverment eroding employee rights it becomes more likely every year. The job market is small and ferocious. Even if you are willing to take a zero-hour contract or part time work. 1,700 people famously applied for eight jobs at Costa, recently. There are 2.5m unemployed, and the government is cheerfully trumpeting about having created a million jobs, many of which are part time and of little help to people with children to feed (and 140,000 of which are people on unpaid internships, training schemes, apprenticeships and workfare schemes, and therefore still receiving benefit), while demonising the 1.5m people for whom there simply is no job.

The Daily Mail is singing backing vocals against the main melody coming out of the Palace of Westminster, from both leading parties. We hear of 'workers and shirkers', 'strivers and skivers'.

What we don't hear about is the people who are too ill or too disabled to work, or who are trapped in a jobless state by having to care for others who are. We hear about people dropping off the disability benefits list - always couched in terms that suggest that they were there fraudulently, never that their condition may have improved. We don't hear about people's already difficult lives being made impossible by the 'bedroom tax' and by ATOS assessments. Westminster and press rhetoric are complicit in the steep rise in the number of hate crimes and attacks against the disabled. We don't hear about that from the Daily Mail.

We don't hear about the people who are on benefits because they work, but are simply not earning enough to survive. Nearly a million households are in this position, and this group forms the majority of benefit claimants.

We don't hear about the people desperately searching for work, and failing to find it.

What we do hear about is the 120,000 'troubled families' the government is investing money in. We hear about the 190 families (out of a population of 56 million) with more than 10 kids, who are on benefits.

And we hear about Philpott. Not in the context of his being a violent human being who knowingly ended the lives of six of his children in order to 'get back at' a woman; but instead we hear him described in terms of how much welfare he took.

It is worth pointing out that the DWP's own figures place benefit fraud at 0.7%. There is little doubt that Philpott himself was in that 0.7%. He was a healthy man who simply did not wish to work. But to hold him up as an example of a whole class of people, the majority of which are on benefits AND working, is a vile trick to play on society. Its effects - not just on the poorest in society, but on us all - are profound. We are sold the same story again and again: that poverty is a choice and it is an immoral choice. That the poor are therefore immoral. That we should require them to suffer for having made this choice, that poverty is not sufficient punishment, they should also, as a class, be loathed.

This attitude fractures our society at its most fundamental level: the assumption that everyone else in it is a human being, that a stranger who falls in front of you on the street should be helped up, not kicked as you pass by.

Finally, I would urge you to read this excellent piece by Ricky Tomlinson. If only there were more like it.

Rachel Coldbreath spent 20 years working internationally as a technical specialist for law firms, before becoming disabled. She blogs on a variety of topics - from the news and politics, to gardening and how very annoying it is being disabled - over here. She tweets @Chiller

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letsgetreadytoramble · 06/04/2013 23:48

What many people need and want in this country is a job, pure and simple. And to get one, they need a government that is prepared to create policies that will stimulate the economy, not a government made up of a bunch of private schoolboys who spend most of their time inhabiting a privileged world that is an Alien planet to most of us, and the rest of the time thinking up policies to help the rich get richer.

Darkesteyes · 07/04/2013 00:14

Ive only just caught this thread. Brilliant blog post chiller.
Xenia can you answer me this please.
If most people as you say are for benefit reforms and in favour of workfare (as you suggested on another thread) then why do A4e and their ilk make workfarers sign confidentiality clauses.
If its such a popular idea that wouldnt garner bad publicity then surely these confidentiality clauses arent needed.

practicality · 07/04/2013 00:33

Well this is tricky. On balance I believe the support system as it stands did contribute to the death of those children. It is entirely possible that the reason he and his partners had so many children was because they would receive money for doing so. It became almost like a job. When his partner left she took with her a large slice of the income they had got use to living on. It could be said he wanted those children back in his household and the money that came with them. That was part of his motivation for starting the fire it is claimed.

He also felt that a bigger house should be provided to house the children and that was part of the reason he torched it. It appears that this man was very much motivated by money. The lack of funds spent on the children also seem to point to this as well as his own expensive recreational habits. Also look at the actions. He chose to put his children's safety at risk for financial benefit.

Had he had to work in the community as a trade off for benefits he may have limited his family size and felt a less inadequate human being. Controlling partners often feel inadequate and overcompensate and he was clearing controlling.

The other thing is that although being on benefits longterm doesn't make a person do bad things, it can contribute if self esteem is eroded. Yes he had violent tendancies before hand-even more of a reason to make these choices non-existent for this character type.

In other countries where there are limits it has been proven that economics does effect the choices people make with respect to their family sizes.

In summary I would lean towards the idea that he was primarily financially motivated. Having children allowed him to 'earn' a living whereby his options otherwise were limited with a criminal record. His lack of care towards them seems to support this.
If these unlimited benefits were not available he would,in all likelihood,have made different choices and this awful tragedy wouldn't have happened.

Tortington · 07/04/2013 00:41

harold shipman was typical of his class. middle class spongers - grants to go to university, no wonder people like him in the middle class murder old people. sense of entitlement that's what is was.

Tortington · 07/04/2013 00:44

that anyone could see the daily mail headline and then focus on the welfare state is byong me - seriously i am apoplectic with rage over it. the daily mail george [cuntox] osborne and david cameron have ALL pushed their politics on the back of the murder of 6 dead children

what is the issue here is it benefits?

no

the issue is the vile deplorable actions of the daily mail, the vile speeches of osborne and cameron.
that and NOTHING else here - is. the. issue

Darkesteyes · 07/04/2013 00:59

YY custardo Ditto Christopher Foster

Vile Product of Millionaires UK.

Darkesteyes · 07/04/2013 01:00

Custardo thats fabulous link. Satire at its best. Wink

practicality · 07/04/2013 01:08

I think it has been suggested that he wouldn't have had so many children had the means not been available to him and that his reason for having children was financially motivated. His actions and the evidence as far as we have it seems to support this.

If a person has children, not because they adore them and are willing to make all the personal sacrifices,but rather as a means to an end then surely that is not the best environment for children to be raised in. They are a by product of a lifestyle choice. No child should be that.

In a climate where, people having children do so primarily motivated by fiscal reward rather than the needs of the child, the unscrupulous will gravitate towards this as a viable lifestyle choice. At very least this is very likely to attract those who are unable to provide adequately, in all senses, for those children.

I believe that this is one of those cases and as such benefits and the involvement needs due consideration.

Darkesteyes · 07/04/2013 02:17

practicality his reason for having children was to use the women in his life being continually pregnant as a means of controlling them
Im getting really fucking pissed off with the domestic abuse aspect of this case being brushed under the carpet.
And only last year people were wondering how Savile got away with his crimes for so long.
Philpott targeted 14 year old girls too.
With the Philpott case society is brushing the domestic abuse issue and the fact that these children were killed under the carpet and focussing and frothing and pearl clutching about benefits.
With the Savile case he kept offending and getting away with it for years because people were focusing on his celebrity.
Philpott case.....blinded by benefits
Savile case .......blinded by celebrity.
When is society going to wake the fuck up?!!!

BagCat · 07/04/2013 04:33

Well said Darkesteyes, custardo etc.

It is ugly to see the horrific abuse this man doled out, being ignored in favour of trying to grabbingly calculate how much benefits he might have claimed those times he abused whilst not in work (because we're not blaming benefits for those times he stabbed women whilst in employment, are we? And we're to discount the fact that both women worked, yes? Two of the many facts that don't fit in with the 'benefits to blame' theory.).

This thread is chock-full of hypocrisy, post upon post haughtily ignoring the facts of the case like they don't exist and somehow attempting to nail the comments of the judge (who was privvy to all of the evidence) as being opinion. Oh yes. We are discounting all of that, in favour of a deliberately slanted newspaper headline? Really?

And it's not about left or right either. It's about understanding the basic, black and white facts, and not trying to desperately create invisible links to fit the prejudices which already exist in the people who are attempting to make those links.

On that note, I bow out of the thread as I find comments supportive of this 'benefits theory' completely vile and they only serve to detract from the fact that a vengeful man took the lives of six of his children.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 09:50

Can I make a suggestion? Perhaps it is better to simply ignore certain people who obviously actually have no clue about real life (except for those who are lucky enough to be working 60 hours a week in a job that obviously pays way more than the national minimum wage so they can afford the, what was it? 14k for childcare a year) outside of their own blinkered reality?

If a working mother on NMW worked 60 hours a week (and good luck finding the hours) she would earn approx. £360 a week before tax and NI - hardly enough to pay that 14k in childcare without having to rely on free resources and, oh yes...benefits.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 09:55

Practicality - you are completely oversimplifying the situation. You clearly have little to no idea about DV and what it involves. Phillpott is vile, unhinged, arrogant, selfish, dangerous, narcissistic. Beneftis did not make him that way - it's who he is. And frankly I'm getting sick of people focusing on what benefits his children got that he stole. He's an abusive bastard and would have been an abusive bastard no matter which path he tread.

practicality · 07/04/2013 10:13

I totally agree darkesteyes that he was abusive. He was a violent unscrupulous individual who financially abused his partners too.

An abuser with violent tendencies shouldn't be given the option to raise children in that environment. Unfortunately, he was funded in his choices and harmed as a result.

I don't believe he had children because he really felt a 'calling' but because they afforded him a certain lifestyle and an ability to control the women he was with.

If the money wasn't available allowing him to sire more children than he was able to even part support, it is plausible he would have made different choices. Evidence from other countries seems to support this.

People,generally,modify their behaviour depending on their financial limitations.

The actions of somebody who has a genuine concern for his children's welfare is not to ram them in sardine like and carry on procreating in already overcrowded circumstances. It is not with the children's interests in mind that already exist to continue having more with already vastly overstretched means. He was unwilling to make any effort to support them through work himself and his care for them was lacking from the accounts given in court.

I would like one day for it to be possible that a violent abusive person is considered not to be an acceptable person for children to live in a household with and that we actually do something about it.

I think limiting resources to two children in future would be, potentially, something that would affect change. Obviously not for the children that already exist. Maybe one other way would be to provide vouchers for clothing/food/fuel etc that have to be used to support the children the money is for. It would be less open to abuse.

practicality · 07/04/2013 10:16

flam actually I do have direct experience.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 10:33

Practicality - then I apologise and am sorry you have direct experience. However, to equate this man with what is wrong with the benefits system is simply wrong. He's a small minority and this is the governments perfect golden opportunity to tar anyone who is completely or partly reliant on benefits with the same brush and drive them further into a hole. Wrong. Very very wrong. People who take the piss will do it no matter what walk of life they are in - the overwhelming vast majority of people who have to claim benefits are honest and don't want to be there

Xenia · 07/04/2013 10:38

Dark, have never seen an employment contract in my life without confidentiality clauses and I have seen a vast number over 30 years. It is an employment contract without one which would be the aberration.

I was asked "If most people as you say are for benefit reforms and in favour of workfare (as you suggested on another thread) then why do A4e and their ilk make workfarers sign confidentiality clauses."

Most people are not on work fare or unemployed. Most people work or are pensioners so the Government of the day has to keep workers and old people happy if it want to get elected which is what tends to drive Labour and Tory policies.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 10:38

Practicality - what would you do with those families who fell on hard times (partner has an accident, job losses, some other unforeseeable disaster) and have more than two children? They most certainly can't be blamed for having more than two children as a means to get more money now can they? Or is it just tough luck for them - funding for two children only while you desperately try to get back on your feet and through lack of money have the barriers to work fall down one by one as you have less and less money to do things like, oh, get to the job centre etc etc?

JakeBullet · 07/04/2013 10:56

...and flamin you are right...that is WHY we cannot have a knee jerk reaction to this despicable, abusive and controlling man because he is massively outweighed by those who are on benefits through no fault of their own and who are not like Philpott.

People can look all they like at others and say "why isn't he/she working, why are they on benefits"? Fact is that unless you are living that person's life you cannot ever truly understand why.

People might well look at me, single parent, one child (autistic) and wonder why I am not in work when other parents with similar children manage. All I can tell you is that after several years of not enough sleep I began to make mistake after mistake. I had to leave before I made a major error of judgement. If I tell you I was a nurse who specialised in child protection you will understand why.

However, being on benefits does not make me want to have more children, milk the system or set fire to my house and yet I am a product of the benefits system too at the moment. This is why the headline was so offensive...it lumps everyone who has to claim benefits in with an abusive man who would have behaved in the same manner regardless.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 11:12

People generally modify their behaviour depending on their financial limitations

To a point. To suggest that people generally modify their behaviour ad infinitum depending on their finances is ridiculous and oversimplifying. Psychology is way more complicated than that (even someone like me without a degree in it knows that psychology is not purely based on environment alone). I KNOW that if tomorrow, someone said I could have £60,000 for life free if I just killed a couple of people or so and was guaranteed to get away with it, that I'd do it. Why? Because I'm not Mick Phillpott, that's why, or any other sociopathic/psychopathic narcissist with absolutely no moral compass what so ever. And for every Mick Phillpott there are several like me - decent, honest, caring.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 11:13

That was supposed to be:

...that I WOULDN'T do it - apologies for the glaring typing error.

flaminhoopsaloolah · 07/04/2013 11:31

However, being on benefits does not make me want to have more children, milk the system or set fire to my house and yet I am a product of the benefits system too at the moment.

It didn't do it to me, either, Jake. I used to dream about being about to get a full time job that paid enough so I didn't have to claim - I used to dream about having my self-respect back.

I'm beginning to wonder how many of the people I've encountered on here in the past few days who are; lumping claimants in with Phillpott; and calling for cuts; and saying taxpayers are being fleeced; and everything else they're saying about claimants being lazy and not trying hard enough, have actually been on both sides of the fence and actually know what they are talking about.

practicality · 07/04/2013 12:26

flam I totally support the welfare state and the system in the sense that it was set up -as a safety net but not as a life style choice.

For families who fall on hard times then they should be fully supported. Absolutely.

I think if you choose to have a child/Ren whilst on benefits then that is wrong. You are adding strain to a system already overloaded and as such shouldn't be supported in, frankly, what is a choice.
Vouchers etc could be offered in this instance or a harder line of -this is the limit of support offered -two children.

I should imagine that the vast majority of people on here are recipients of government support in one way or another, or have been, whether they have had jobseekers, working tax credit or child benefit or any of the other sources of support for their families. A lot of people have limited their families in line with their limited incomes.

Xenia · 07/04/2013 14:36

IDS says most people who lose their job claim benefits for 1 - 2 years on average. Most people agree that your past national insurance contributions should support you in such a case. It is the longer termed unemployed which are the bigger problems and the fact we draw state pensions for 30 not the 3 years we used to. Hence my retirement age is nearly 70 I think and will get older and older as time goes on.
There seems plenty of support for limiting benefits to two children although Philpott could have had 2 children with 10 women all living separately so that would not help - we might need to link it to one child per parent perhaps.

Darkesteyes · 07/04/2013 16:26

Xenia i wasnt talking about a normal employment contract. I was talkiing about workfare.
You said most people are in favour so if thats the case A4e would NOT need claimants to sign confidentiality clauses.