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ok you food bloggers, can you help me with copyright issues with recipes

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RecipeJunkie · 12/04/2012 20:02

A few weeks ago, I got a rocket from Dan Lepard's business manager for copying out his recipe for marmalade chelsea buns on my blog, I had fully attributed it, but he asked me to remove the recipe and just put the link to the web page where I had found it (for free) up. This has made me nervous of repeatign recipes from other cookbooks, but I noticed others do this (copy out recipes). Does anyone know the quick and easy answer to whether this is OK?

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BlackAffronted · 12/04/2012 20:14

Oh, I do this Blush - am worried now!

TeWihara · 12/04/2012 20:33

Right, I'm not really a blogger but I dabble - I would say that the best rule is the 10% one from essays - try not to quote more than 10% of another page. If you want to quote more than that (so in the case of your blog, entire recipes) just provide a link to the correct page, and then continue your blog as usual.

If you wanted to highlight particular parts of the recipe you could still quote them later eg 'step 4 recommends "whisking until very stiff" but I found that...'

Gusthetheatrecat · 12/04/2012 20:48

I am not a food blogger, but I knew this was ringing a bell for me somehow. When Kat from Housewife Confidential did a Nigella recipe sharing thingy, she had some info near the bottom of the post about only posting a link to the recipe, unless you have adapted it in some way by changing at least two of the ingredients or amending the directions, but if so you must write it in your own words.
Link here: housewifeconfidential.co.uk/2011/05/forever-nigella-6-sea-fish-and-eat-it/

Hope that helps. I thought this sounded pretty authoritative!

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RecipeJunkie · 13/04/2012 09:39

Thanks for the advice - Gus I think that's probably a good rule of thumb, so thanks for pointing me in that direction (also I hadn't seen that blog before!)

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pockledigg · 14/04/2012 17:41

I think Dan Lepard's Business Manager should get over himself and be glad of the free namecheck.
He bakes stuff. End of.
I don't think he's found a cure for cancer yet.
Some people.
Off to burn 'The Handmade Loaf' to show solidarity.

OysterandPearl · 20/04/2012 13:47

I used to work on the BBC food website and we used the 10% rule/2 ingredients rule.

Vaguely remember Dan Lepard tweeting something about this recently - will try to find.

MaisonCupcakeBlog · 23/04/2012 16:59

Hi, I hadn't published any Dan Lepard recipes so I've not received a rocket from David Whitehouse however it's me who organises the Nigella blog event linked to above and I wrote those guidelines re changing at least two ingredients and writing your own method. These guidelines were based on advice received in the recipe copyright sessions at Food Blogger Connect conference given by a food blogger who happens also be an lawyer practicing in intellectual property rights - so I trust her stance!

There is no copyright granted to recipe ingredient lists as there is no artistic expression associated with them. The wording of the directions however does require artistic expression hence it is the directions that are covered by copyright not the list of ingredients.

If you take a published recipe and tweak it to suit yourself, re-write the directions and vary some ingredients then it effectively becomes a new recipe for which you have the copyright.

If you publish/blog a recipe that is very obviously inspired by someone else, it is polite to say your recipe was "inspired by" or "adapted from".

Think how many Victoria sponge or shortcrust pastry recipes there are, noone has copyright of these recipes however the flowery Nigella wording is her own artistic expression and should not be reproduced elsewhere.

Where the Dan Lepard thing has got murky is that his manager has been arguing with some food bloggers that they've breached Dan's copyright if they've adapted his recipes. This is highly wobbly ground because there is no copyright over ideas but most food bloggers have taken recipes down on David's request even if they don't agree with his argument.

Probably if you googled the recipe names in Dan's short and sweet book you'd find the majority had been made by someone somewhere before he published them - Weetabix Muffins for instance were published in the early 2000s by an American site.

My advice is:

  1. For recipes directly copied from books, just link to either the book on Amazon or somewhere legitimate that has published it with permission elsewhere.
  2. For recipes you are making up or adapting, compare 2 or 3 versions elsewhere and develop ingredients that are a hybrid of what you've seen done in a few other places. Then write your own words.

Hope that helps!

RecipeJunkie · 23/04/2012 22:28

MaisonCupcake - I really appreciate that - thanks. I've copied your advice and will re-refer to it.

By the way, I looked at the blog event thingy - reaised I was way to late to take part but if you ever do another one would be really interested - would love it if you would take a mo to look at my blog: Recipe Junkie and the Attack of the Custard creams

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BlackAffronted · 24/04/2012 08:06

I think I might join in next months Nigella event :)

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