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Speed Awareness Course or Points?

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zippytiptoes · 13/01/2011 13:33

I wondered if anyone could give me a non judgemental opinion and offer a bit of help.

I recently received notice of a speeding offence (35mph in a 30mph zone). The thing is, my daughter who has dislocated hips and wears a hip brace managed to get out of her car seat and looked like she was going to slip onto the floor. This all happened at the point of me unfortunately passing a stationary police van with a camera. It's no excuse I know, but my other daughter was shrieking with anxiety, as if our youngest daughter slipped, she could potentially do a lot of damage to her hip and risk having to go back into plaster for months on end.

I wrote to the police explaining the circumstances and they were very nice and honestly said that although they sympathised, other people were still being put at risk, which I do understand. They offered me the chance of going on a speed awareness course instead of taking the points.

Essentially, I am very grateful however, some people may remember that I posted last January on here asking for advice as I had stopped at the scene of a double fatality car crash and had been heavily involved in trying to save the two women. I still think about the crash very regularly and it is very vivid in my mind. Although I am genuinely fine, it did affect me profoundly and I am concerned that in taking the speed awareness course, it may reawaken all those feelings that I am trying to put to rest.

Has anyone else taken this course and if so, could you let me know what sort of stuff they do with you. Do they show graffic films etc? I'm not sure I could watch that sort of stuff and it may be easier just to take the points.

I'm really sorry if I've offended anyone in asking this, but genuinely, I was in really tricky circumstances. I understand the potential impact of the damage done on both accounts and guess I was just shocked that my daughter had managed to get out of the straps. We have now incidentally bought her a special disability car seat which accommodates her brace better than a regular car seat.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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Poledra · 13/01/2011 13:38

I can't help you with the Speed Awareness thing, but do remember your thread last year. You did an immensely brave and caring thing.

This will at least bump the thread in case someone with something useful to add comes along!

sausagerolemodel · 13/01/2011 13:48

I have C&P'd this from another forum, written by a friend of mine. Its quite long and a bit tongue in cheek (- I hope that doesn't upset you), but it sounds like they weren't shown anything more graphic than the anti-speeding adverts from TV. Unless you think those points are going to seriously adversely affect you (insurance prices or career wise) maybe you should just take them though? It does sound like this kind of course could just be a day of re-hashing horrible memories for you. I think in your shoes I'd be tempted to do that. If you do decide to take the course please please just make sure the trainer knows what you've been through so that they act accordingly and warn you if anything is coming up that might upset you.
SRM

^So I was caught in the car, heading home from work, at 58mph in a 50mph zone.
In my defence it was the time of the Morgan Centenary and I was passing a long line of Morgans (looking at the resulting evidential pic), so I was a bit distracted and didn't see the rear-facing van, which must have been hidden from forward view.
It was also on a former 70mph stretch of rural dual carriageway, so... erm... yes, that's an excuse too

Fast forward a month and a half or so and I'm one of 19 people in a hired hotel conference room, for four hours of 'education'. We're sat behind desks in a horseshoe-shaped formation, so we can all discuss things with one another while still facing the focal point - the projector screen.
Our cheery host, Alastair, has obviously done this a million times before (when I arrived he checked my licence, asked what bike I have then said "oooh, can I have a go?" - something he probably says at every course ) and he lets the first video play as he greets late-comers to the party and checks their docs.
On the screen is a safety advert from a few years ago. The one with a bloke on board a Ducati 999, riding roads featuring signs saying "cow pat 100yds" and "watch out for the tractor". Following that is Sir Jimmy instructing "Clunk, click - every trip".
Then we have the split-screen ad of a hubby and wife, she talking to him on his mobile while he drives... and crashes. We're then treated to the little ('you-shouldn't-have-been-in-the-fucking-road-anyway') girl lying crumpled and dead at the base of a tree, who unbreaks, scoots back onto the Tarmac and draws sudden breath.
And so on. There are seven or eight in total, and Alastair makes us sit through them twice over, having forgotten he'd switched it on in the first place. The tutting and sighing from the assembled bored speeders is audible over the screeching tyres and crunching bones from the projector.

Looking around as the ads repeat themselves, I note the ordinariness of my fellow guilty parties. At 37 I'm certainly in the lower age bracket. I see an equal mix of men and women and later find out that some are retired, some rarely drive but were "popping to the shops" in hubby's car, a couple of (blue) van men, a bloke who drives a Porsche Boxster and two people with Clios. A bloke in a suit, one in work clobber, an old woman with half-moon glasses, three bushy beards and someone who looked like he was only here cos he'd got lost going to the shops. A general cross-section of society, and not a single boy racer in sight.

Our genial host introduces himself as an advanced instructor for both cars and bikes, and waffles on for a bit about his background. He tells us that because the police consider us to be safe drivers, we've been given this opportunity to learn the error of our ways. How the police would actually deem us to be safe, having committed such a heinous crime, is never actually explained despite the point being raised by a grumpy-looking beardy bloke opposite.
We then go round the room one-by-one ("My name is x and I am a speeder") saying who we are, what we drive, how many miles we do per annum and any other info we want to give freely. We all have cards with our names on at the front of our desks, BTW.

Discussion then begins between Alastair and two of the blokes opposite, who suddenly seem intent on questioning. They want to know this, that and the other. They want to know why there are speed limits when we should be able to use common sense more. They want to know why cars are made to travel above 70mph. They want to know everything - and I want to punch them both in the face to shut them up so we can get on with things

We're then split into groups of four or five, given a big sheet of paper and asked to write the excuses we think the police will hear from speeders every day. This is then discussed with much added mirth and encouragement from the well-practiced Alastair as "I needed the toilet", "I was runing out of petrol" and "my wife is having a baby" were trotted out as if by predicatable magic.
Next we're introduced to the booklet that has been sitting patiently on the desks in front of us, and we're asked to write what the personal consequences would be if we were to use terrible excess speed (like 58 in a 50, for instance). After a few minutes we then offer ourselves to the rest of the group, and wheel out injury, death, points and damage as among the most popular.
Ali then pops the PowerPoint on and goes through a few acronyms. I'll be buggered if I can remember them all, but one, IIRC, was COAST:

Concentration
Observation
Attention
Space
Tickling

Something like that, anyway. There was also SPACESHIP, TEABAGGING and COLONOSCOPY, and others which escape me just now. Anyhow, the whole point was to make us remember to do things properly rather than get in the car, hit autopilot, arrive home.
Now by this point I felt suitably bored and patronised. I could tell by the complete silence from the lad beside me that he was feeling roughly the same, and in fact the majority of people in the room appeared to be comatose. But despite my scepticism I could also tell that four or five of my fellow offenders were actually learning something
Without wanting to sound sexist, it was obviously the older women who were picking things up from this deluge of obviousness. These were the people who look but don't "see" bikes. They were the ones who drove everywhere at 40mph, regardless of the conditions or limit, and they were the ones who were most upset at having been caught in the first place.
As I watched I could see pennies dropping as chins were scratched and notes taken. It was a little frightening, to be honest.

After a coffee and bourbon break it was back to business and back to our groups. Each group was given a photograph to study and make notes on the potential hazards. The following discussion then covered everything I do automatically on a bike anyway, but which I'm sure would have been useful to some of the older, less aware, drivers. Junctions; road surfaces; blind corners; suspicious shadows beneath vehicles; approaching traffic; signs... et cetera.
We then moved on to a series of projected pictures about speed limits, and how to tell what was what. It centred on the old lamppost theory, but put us in situations where we had to guess at what the limit was. This, again, was fairly common knowledge but I must admit I learned one or two minor things myself (things which I knew previously but didn't need occupying my head any more). Such as it's possible to have one each-way lane on a dual carriageway rather than two.

Things were heading towards a close by this point, but there was a little more scribbling in our booklets and a few more projected images. We learned about the speed resitrictions for HGVs, caravans and the like, learned about rotational-something-or-other which is the way the body travels when it's hit by a car. Good old Alastair laser pointed, cracked 'jokes' and finally declared that we had all passed the course. This was despite four or five people having barely spoken throughout the session. Hmmm.

As I headed from the room Alastair stood by the door making a point of shaking everyone's sweaty mitt. It amused me that as he shook mine while offering a friendly smile, he was actually pulling me towards the door at the same time. I don't know who wanted me out quicker - me or him

All-in-all it wasn't an unpleasant experience. It wasn't awfully enlightening either, but it was a damn sight better than getting three points.
If you're offered one make sure you take it. Go along, eat the biscuits and nod where necessary.
You never know - you might learn something. It's not likely, but you might.^

WishIWasRimaHorton · 13/01/2011 13:55

the only clips they showed in the speed awareness course that i did on tues this week were the ones that had been on TV in the last few years - the one where the man repeatedly (imagines he) sees the boy he has knocked down throughout his day; and the one which with the message about hitting a kid at 30 and there being an 80% chance they will live; at 40 an 80% chance they will die.

why not call the course organisers and explain the issue; you may be able to be excused from the course for the video bits.

zippytiptoes · 13/01/2011 21:23

Thanks a lot. These comments are really helpful.

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greenlotus · 13/01/2011 21:32

The course I did was fine. It was just like a training course at work, run by two very pleasant ladies one from Road Safety the other an Advanced Driving Instructor. It was quite tactful and they kept saying "when you were caught on camera" rather than "when you broke the speed limit" which made me smile.

What has stuck in my mind is that safe stopping distance on the motorway (at 70mph) is about 100m which is the distance between the little marker posts - I try to keep to that now.

paulapantsdown · 18/01/2012 15:31

I know this thread is older now, but I just did my speed awreness course yesterday, and despite being quite cynical about it beforehand, I can honestly say that it was reallt interesting. The guy who did ours was really good, and I think I really learned alot. It has made me look at the way drive in a new light and I think I will make a few little changes.

I also noticed that there was no one in the class under the age of about 40, and when someone asked why this might be, the trainer explained that the way drivers are taught now is totally different to how they were taught in the 80's.

What really stuck in my mind was the fact that all speed cameras are reactionary, ie; they are there because there have accidents in that spot and that at least 3 people have died at that place. A sobering thought.

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