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& how DOES the new tighter benefit system work??...does this sound right?

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rockinhippy · 17/12/2010 22:30

Wanted to name change, but it won;t let me Hmm

Gawd this is complicated to explain without a long winded confusing diatribe Confused but I will try

I've just received a message via facebook, from someone who is on my friends list, who I do know, but she is much closer to a mutual friend of ours, this message is basically a cry for help on behalf of our friend.

She lives abroad & apologizes for approaching me, but as she is so far away, doesn't know what else to do, she is worried that our mutual friend is suicidal, has no credit on phone, has had all benefits stopped, he & pets have not eaten in days, & all she could do was send them some money & be a shoulder (she is wealthy) she sounds genuinely very concerned for our friend, & says that "mental health" have refused to help X too Confused

Now this person is an old friend of my Husbands, & someone I've known to a lesser degree before marrying my Husband & better since & to be honest despite being a very educated person, with plenty of opportunity in life, has always been a bit to good to work for a living, & has hardly worked in their life & is very much the type the Government are cracking down on Confused

s/he does his projects, everything from DJing, singing, writing etc, but whenever s/he gets themself a "proper job" complains its beneath them, & soon messes it up & gets sacked, usually by not turning up on time, despite being an early riser Hmm,

I can see why at this age (not young) that some of the jobs might of make X feel a bit of a looser, but s/he has messed up good opportunities that would of suited them down to the ground too, because even though s/he is genuinely a lovely Person, they just have such an immature & irresponsible attitude to life & seem to court failure, IYSWIM , same with the opposite sex, in that they chase much younger unobtainable people, & then get all maudlin, crying on shoulders when nothing happens Confused....though to be honest, when they've tried that one with me, I've been very blunt with them about how silly they are being, so it doesn't happen often

I've showed the message to DH, & he just groaned, & then said he hates to feel uncharitable, but questions that this person is crying on someones shoulder, who won't fully understand the benefit changes for money, got to admit that was my first thoughts on it too :(

but neither of us understand the benefit system, are they REALLY stopping all benefits for some people, or is it as we thought, only if you don't make an effort to find work??

We both wouldn't want to see him go hungry, but neither do we want to be mugs, I've dealt with more than my share of people who think everyone else owes them, & use emotional blackmail to best effect, so not sure if I have just become very hard faced in this sort of situation.

& also they are known P' takers, both emotionally & finacially, for example we did look after their pets last Xmas, worked out well for us, as our DCs were heartbroken as our own died close to Xmas, but it was very much a favour for them, as they (said) they had been let down at the last minute, so we took said pets in, X was rushing so I naively said to sort out food etc when they returned, ended up being a longer than it was meant to be, not ideal as our DCs got too attached, & held us up picking up our new pet, took 2 months & my getting stroppy to replace the food we used Hmm

My facebook isn't working properly right now, so I genuinely can't reply to this Woman, & though I feel bad for that, as she's obviously very worried, its probably a bit of a blessing, as I really don't know what to say, or how to handle it Blush

WWYD???? & would they really just suddenly lose all benefits??? Confused

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noddyholder · 17/12/2010 22:32

Just say you can't afford it

rockinhippy · 17/12/2010 22:39

Thanks Noddy, but its not so much the money that worries us, I don't think he'll ask, but we do know he has to move by Xmas, they all do & his flatmate won't share with him again, he has made noises about moving to another town, but we have spare room, & last time he had to move he just took it for granted we would take the cats again, despite us now having more of our own, & it just not being practical

reading my OP, again its all over the place....I was trying to be all incognito BlushGrin until I realised I couldn't name change Confused

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maktaitai · 17/12/2010 22:44

It's possible that they would, yes, depending on what they were claiming. However, I do think that the best thing to do would be to contact the mutual friend, the one whose benefits may have been stopped, if you have a phone number or email address for them. A general 'Hi, thinking of you, how's it going' sort of contact, and see what comes from that. Then I wouldn't rush to give them money (especially if they have stiffed you in the past) but just judge what seems to be going on. Suicidal thoughts are of course always a danger sign but they are also really common, few people don't have them at some time in their lives, and for most of us they go away again. Not having credit on your phone is hardly life-threatening. Having them over for a meal, offering to contact the RSPCA for them (sounds like the pets may need to be rehomed maybe?) could be helpful maybe if you feel up to it. I wouldn't contact the woman until you know more about what's going on.

rockinhippy · 18/12/2010 00:25

Thanks, I don't actually know what he claims, but suspect as its been long term, its some sort of sickness benefit, though if I'm honest bar lazybloodyitis Hmm I'm not sure what would be wrong with him, but suspect he uses depression, as he;s very fit otherwise, so doubt he could get away with anything else (not that I've got any problems with anyone claiming for genuine depression) .....

would they not just move him onto job seekers allowance or whatever they now call it, but pressurize him into looking for work, rather than just stop any money dead??, Confused

I did actually see him yesterday, he lives close by & he seemed fine & didn't mention anything & I think one of the reason I'm not sure he's not been a bit sneaky with this friend,....that is..... 6 months or so ago, he was suddenly homeless, never did get to the bottom of why, but that was when he came looking for us to take in his Cats until he sorted himself out, I did organise with a Cat charity to take them in temporarily, but he then didn't need the help & moved himself & the Cats in elswhere

I will keep my ear to the ground though & try & see him or his house mate to get a better idea of whats really going on

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maktaitai · 18/12/2010 00:35

if he was on incapacity benefit, now employment support allowance, then if he were recently assessed as fit to work, the money stops immediately. he can claim JSA but it doesn't happen automatically.

well let's hope that in his case the process has done precisely what it's supposed to do and catapult him into work, or at least active search for work. Sounds as you say as if he may be telling different people different things... good that you saw him yesterday.

JSCandC · 19/12/2010 18:15

if he was on the sick benefit (incapacity or employment and support allowance) and they have failed the medical, the benefit would stop immediatley, as they are classed as fit for work, BUT they could appeal and get the money back up and running,

BIL had his ESA stopped as he was proven to be fit for work (even though he was not and his gp said him working would be very unsafe) he appealed and got the money up and running whilst the appeal is going through which can take 3-6months then anything else on top if you dont agree with that decission. Apparently 99% of people fail this assesment as the question are basic questions that are not ideal for some illness- such as depression or as my BIL case his eyeseight and heart problems.

To get the money back up and running my BIL had to write a letter of appeal stating why he does not agree with the decission then sent it off withing 28days of the decision,

They could be other reasons the benefit has stopped also.

rockinhippy · 05/01/2011 12:21

Thanks, I had lost this thread so couldn't reply until now

it does seem as if in our friends case he was trying it on with the friend who lives abroad Hmm she has family members with genuine depression, so she was very worried & sending him money Angry

& yes it was sickness benefit for depression, but he is definitely NOT genuinely depressed, as he can turn it on & off at will Confused

more a case that he thinks as he's well educated that he's above actually working ...had plenty of opportunities that suited him well, but he screwed up, such as 1 job that wouldn't let him have Holiday for the football last year, he'd been there 2 weeks...so he just took it anyway, & got sacked Hmm, so IMHO he is exactly the sort of person the cuts are aimed at weedling out....he's been put onto a work related benefit instead & now has to look for work.....which will do him the world of good, IMO

I offered him a couple of boxes of Cat food by way of pretending our Cat didn't like it, it was collected a week later, so he obviously wasn't that desperate Hmm

We also heard he's still affording to buy dope to smoke daily, so sounds very much like he;s been on a bit of a conHmm

Though that said, I've also heard the forms are a bit useless even for the genuinely ill with some health conditions, & lots of the new system is unfair, I lost my DLA after an appeal last year, not because I didn't fit the criteria, but because I believe in staying positive & pushing myself to not just lie down Angry though if I'm honest, tightening up & taking sickness benefits & DLA off people who don't genuinely deserve them, will in the long run mean those who do, will no longer have to feel embarrassed to be claiming it

thanks again for the responses

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