I’m an ‘overworker’ and have 3 FT jobs - AMA

[SallyGs]

Ive had a few people now mention on the careers topic to do an AMA so am taking the plunge.

An overworker is someone who holds multiple full time roles at the same time. Started in the US and became big during COVID - for obvious reasons as it’s pretty much impossible to do with non remote work.

I currently have 3 full time jobs, at my peak I had 5 during 2020. And am working towards buying a rental property with my additional income.

So for anyone who has wondered about it or are interested in trying it themselves - AMA

Legally it’s not though. So…

1. It's not "perceived dishonesty"; it is dishonesty. You are lying to your employers.

2. I only asked you how you cope with the dishonesty because you started an AMA. So don't start with the "why do you care about things that don't impact on you" - you're the one who started the AMA.

If it's as beneficial to your employers as you claim why don't you tell them?

I don’t cope with it

Because I don’t care enough in order to need to cope

I really, really don’t think you should embarrass yourself by straying into commentary on what is legal and what is not.

I’m sure you have many skills but it’s very clear from your attitude to casual dishonesty that you would not be cut out for the law.

Because if not want to put my snr directors in a position with needing to decide whether to speak to HR

Doing less hours is perfectly fine, it’s the contractual element that would be the issue.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand. The same would apply if a member of my team did the same. If it was made obvious and directly told to me, I’d need to go through the HR process. And it might not end well. Depending on many factors. I’d never put my snr director and dept sponsor in that position. As in the end sometimes the decision wouldn’t be in their hands, they’d still see the benefit, but it’s 50/50 if HR would

Do you know the categories of employment fraud? If so can you please explain how this fits into any one of them.

considering how much you’ve displayed a blatant lack of understanding throughout this thread your comment is a bit rich.

SallyGs · Today 13:16
I know it would breach multiple of my employment contracts. Hence why I don’t tell them. Pretty simple to understand

You said here, you ARE in breach of multiple "employment contracts"

So Op is getting 3 salaries for 3 jobs.

Your colleagues are getting 1 salary for 0.6 jobs
You are getting 1 salary for 1.6 jobs.

This isn’t a win for you..

That’s not the same as committing fraud though. In a legal sense. Which is what the original post was implying.

goodness gracious me

Yeah that comment made me really surprised, as if it’s something to brag about, being paid the same for more work 🤡

Blatant lack of understanding of what? No, I have no idea what the law is here, it’s not my area of specialism. But I am pretty confident that you are not an authority on it.

However you should be aware that criminal fraud and fraud in a civil context (ie in relation to a contract of employment) are different things.

I'm understanding just fine thanks. I'm just not sure why it's so difficult for you to understand that if it's written in your employment contract, it's already been decided it isn't beneficial to your company, by the company. You've just decided it is because it suits you 😂

So many jealous sticklers on here. Good on you OP! Wish you the best with it and hope you don't get caught.

As senior marketing roles are more strategic - I can easily see it possible to manage in 2/3 hours, but the £30k role (presumably more junior/less responsibility - more execution?) are usually quite full on - you must be super efficient and effective to blag that role in an hour or two a day!

I suppose my question is: (excluding your one day in the office/prioritising primary for meetings) which of the roles is the most time consuming to deliver on?

I'm going to post a link for this to the CoL thread, particularly the one where parents can't afford childcare. This is a good solution.
No references, no line manager, no supervision, no childcare issues and a high salary for a couple of hours work. I think marketing is the way forward for those who are struggling.

So you admit to having no idea yet feel it’s acceptable to claim I have no idea?

What a silly, silly comment.

I am well aware. Hence why I am laughing at those claiming fraud. At most it would be gross misconduct for breaking contract terms.

Who said no references? I have references, my current role however I give an excuse for my secondaries. Not having any would be odd

You just don’t get it. And that’s fine but stop embarrassing yourself

You think over 20,000 people’s standard worded contracts are indeed based on what’s best for the company as a whole?

silly sausage

You talk as if HR are some independent police force.
They exist with the same aim as every other function in your company - maximising profit. If they (or the board above them) don’t see the benefit it’s because there is no net corporate benefit. The fact that your managers and sponsor might try to argue your case is more about their own self-preservation/complicity than anything else.

My mid salary role is the most time consuming in total. But it’s very seasonal so I have ‘busy’ Q3-4s and the first half of the year is relatively quiet so I can do more for the other roles.

Yes. I feel it is very safe to assume that you are not a lawyer. I know this because lawyers have extremely stringent personal honesty and integrity standards imposed by our regulator (higher than those required of the general public) and you would not pass them.

I mean, nobody here really gives a toss about your company let's be honest, we're just stating the obvious risks you're running. But hey it's your career at the end of the day and you've clearly thought about it so if you think the risk is worth the reward then good for you!

At this point I’m giving up, you clearly have very little experience in larger businesses. Where HR are often a bit more of a policing force than a common sense dept.

Your ignorance is making this a bit pointless

enjoy the rest of your day

Do you think only lawyers understand the basics of the law?

I didn’t do an AMA to ask about risks. If it wasn’t already clear, I don’t give a shiny shit.

if you don’t have an actual question you can save yourself the time of a reply