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I am an NHS Psychiatrist AMA

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 00:24

There has been so much in the news this week about the mental healthcare of the man who killed the three people in Nottingham. If anyone wants to
ask any questions about this or psychiatry in general fire away

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Chanhedforthis · 28/01/2024 12:32

Do you have any training or experience any patients who suffer from maladaptive daydreaming?

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:35

CloseEncountersOfTheTurdKind · 28/01/2024 08:41

My Dad has psychosis, anxiety, depression and OCD. He is on 5 different drugs for his mental health, including lithium. He was discharged from the mental health services because he isn't actively suicidal at the moment. It means most of his care is left to me. My main question, which no mental health professional has ever been able to answer, is this: when my dad is saying things that are blatantly untrue as a result of his psychosis, how should I respond? Should I argue with him, agree with him or what? The things he says vary from 'there are tiny matadors walking across the dining table' and 'my cat is brown' (when it is actually black and white) and 'it is impossible to change a lightbulb unless you are a qualified electrician'. All fairly harmless stuff, but I'm hearing it on a daily basis and don't know how I should be reacting!

I can only comment in a general way but challenging your dad won’t fix the psychosis and we tend to advise going along with the symptoms whilst reassuring them and try to engage in other activities so the psychosis isn’t so front and centre. Paychosis can be very frightening and reassurance and comfort helps
sorry to hear your dad isn’t under services from what you say he sounds like he should have regular reviews

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:40

PaulGalico1 · 28/01/2024 08:53

My son has prader willi syndrome and autism, he has psychotic episodes. He takes flouxitine to cope with anxiety. His coping mechanism to otherwise manage this anxiety is to pick his skin and create sores which eventually become infected. He has mild learning difficulty so will not be seen by disabled services (apparently too bright for them). He has just been assessed again and although the assessor recommended support and review by a psychiatrist he has been turn down again and offered 'talking therapies'- guess we just wait for the next episode, police intervention and hospitalisation.

Prader Willi plus poor mental health is an incredibly difficult set of problems to manage. If you are being refused assessment in NHS I advise complaining. PALS is often the best route ( I know there is a theme on me saying complain but in a broken NHS the way to get care sadly is often via PALS )
also try the Prader Willi Assocation who can be very supportive and sign post
haivng said all that CBT is the most effective intervention for managing emotions and anxiety and I would hope he would find it useful

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:43

CandyLeBonBon · 28/01/2024 08:56

What's your experience on EUPD? I was diagnosed a few years ago but i wasn't under how helpful it is as a diagnosis beating mind I now can't get access to any kind of therapy because thouse I've approached won't work with me!

EUPD is a diagnosis that may explain symptoms but does not necessarily help you access the care you need which is generally paycholgy and medication can be used to help symptoms
CBT/ DBT and often group based helps some areas have specific PD ssrvices too
if you want to do more reading the best book I have ever read is ‘I hate you don’t leave me’ which I think should be compulsory reading for all psychiatrists

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:46

Sunflower8848 · 28/01/2024 09:00

Do you actually believe in the medical model of mental distress?

I try to be patient centred and work out collaboratively how best to understand their distress. I try not to impose a medical model. But I am trained to think that way and it is helpful in formulating a patients problem for me

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ProfessorPeppy · 28/01/2024 12:47

@FloofCloud

Sorry to chip in, but given that ND is hereditary to a certain extent, do you think your PILs’ cognitive inflexibility might be autism/ADHD?

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:47

NeverGuessWho · 28/01/2024 09:07

Thanks for sharing your advice and experience with us.

My DS18 is convinced that he has ADHD, and I agree. I took him to the GP a couple of years ago, the GP did a referral but we have heard nothing. I should have chased it, but haven't.

He's doing well at college, however, he has just done exams, and due to time restraints and not being able to concentrate he has flunked one exam. (It's a T Level course.)

The part of the exam he completed he did well on, but he simply did not have the concentration to enable him to complete the necessary amount of written work in the allocated time.

We have realised it is now too late for him to have an NHS diagnosis in time for his exams.

What would you advise - is there any way that I can get him extra time? I have failed him badly by not chasing up the diagnosis. I am prepared to pay for a private referral, but I don't think the exam board will accept this.

TIA.

I am not sure it is right that an exam board would not accept a private diagnosis as that is how loads of people are diagnosed now. My advice would be to always get the assessment done by a consultant psychiatrist so it is not challenged

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:52

notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 09:08

Thank you for this thread. I would like your opinion on some of the diagnosis that have become so common in recent years - for example, everyone is calling people they don't like a narcissist, Is this valid? Or is this a rare thing? Also the huge number of adult diagnosis of ASD and ADHD. What do you think of this? I feel that ADHD has completely lost any meaning, as the children I see in school who have a disability along these lines don't ever seem to have a diagnosis, and the people I meet with a diagnosis don't seem to have any disability that has prevented them achieving normally in life. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Should we have two different diagnosis now? One for people who are severely disabled by this condition, and one for people who maybe have it mildly, but can get on, and get qualifications and hold down a job normally anyway? Thank you

I definitely think neurodiversity is under diagnosed and should be actively looked for. To have an understanding of why you might feel you don’t fit in/ achieve educationally/ hold down work/ relationships can be life changing. There are support mechanisms and legal rights in education and work with a diagnosis
in terms of the degree of disability some people will be relatively unaffected, others it can be v disabling
narcissism is a term I do not use - in psychiatry it tends to be reserved for a v small number of people who fit the criteria for a narcissistic personality disorder

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:56

Ihaveoflate · 28/01/2024 09:13

From my experience of being under a psychiatrist is that they generally just prescribe medication. Is this a fair assessment or do psychiatrists also work with other kinds of therapeutic approaches, like talking therapies?

What's the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist? Is it simply that the former is a qualified physician and can prescribe medication?

All psychiatrists have psychological training
my role I would say is to make diagnosis and also think very hard about whether there is a physical health disorder explaining or worsening symptoms. I also lead a team of other professionals and have the ability to use the mental health act. And yes I prescribe medication but many illnesses need medication
psychology is where the healing happens for many people and we do not have enough of them or available in the right timescale. I had time off with depression myself and had CBT and I found it amazing

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:57

sumptuous · 28/01/2024 09:13

Everyone I know who has dementia (especially early onset) it also runs in their family. Is this what you observe in your practice?

Early onset is much more likely to run in families than later onset

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CloseEncountersOfTheTurdKind · 28/01/2024 12:59

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:35

I can only comment in a general way but challenging your dad won’t fix the psychosis and we tend to advise going along with the symptoms whilst reassuring them and try to engage in other activities so the psychosis isn’t so front and centre. Paychosis can be very frightening and reassurance and comfort helps
sorry to hear your dad isn’t under services from what you say he sounds like he should have regular reviews

Thanks. Yeah I think he should be under regular reviews, especially with the lithium, but when I challenged it they said the mental health services are so busy in his area that they can only see people who are actively suicidal. So looks like we will have wait until we get back to that stage to get any help. He's been sectioned several times in the past.

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 13:03

notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 09:18

also, I would like to know about the likely outcome for two brothers I know - one had just started his career in law. Both were diagnosed as schizophrenic when they reached their early 20s. I know you can't be specific about these two individuals, but is that the end of all career hopes for them? Or can it be controlled enough for them to have a normal life? I am quite old, and when I was a child, my uncle had this diagnosis, and his life was pretty awful. Massive of drugs that made him really ill, and ultimately did not work, he became more and more of a lose cannon and was eventually considered dangerous and locked away for the last 10 years of his life. I didn't see him at that time, but what stands out in my mind is I cried at his funeral, but no one who saw him in the last 10 years did, because he was not the person I remembered with love any more. Please tell me this is not the fate of young men with this diagnosis today

The prognosis is not as bad especially if picked up early. Some patients will have one psychotic episode and never again. Others will have relapses over their lives. About 15% have chronic symptoms really impacting on their lives
other factors are compliance with treatment and whether the patient uses alcohol and drugs land has insight into how to stay well there is also a specialised CBT for psychosis to help people live with symptoms and maintain good function
so I would certainly encourage people at the start of an illness to maintain their life
plans. There are people in all sorts of professions with personal experience of psychosis

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 13:07

notknowledgeable · 28/01/2024 09:19

so many questions! What do you think about all this anxiety that all teenagers are suffering from right now? Where has it come from and what do schools do about it? Am I right in thinking prevention is better than cure? How do we prevent it?

The MH of young people is a real worry, so
many factors, world events,’academic pressures, their lives online and the pandemic had a massive impact
however young people do have resilience and do get better. This generation also drinks less that helps their MH no end.
I have adult children and I really worry about them too. Boosting self esteem and ambitions and positive adult relationships all help

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middleeasternpromise · 28/01/2024 13:07

If you could design/re-design services for people in need, what would you prioritise? Resources will always be a factor in life but if we could do the best with what we have what might a successful service look like for patients and professionals?

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 13:10

cardforchip · 28/01/2024 09:27

I am interested in your perspective on the medical model of understanding mental health and chemical imbalances in the brain as I genuinely wonder if I have a seratonin deficiency. SSRIs make such a huge positive impact on my life the smallest dose seems to transform me from a glass half empty to glass half full person who can cope without crippling anxiety. I have ADHD and find that when off them I spiral downwards so quickly and get stuck in negative thinking patterns which I then hyperfocus on. I've done so much therapy and work In mental health so know this space very well but no amount of therapy or CBT shifts my depression and anxiety in the way that my medication can. I would describe it as a life changing difference. I also get depressed every time I am pregnant in both cases I came off my SSRIs (wish I'd stayed on them) once cold turkey and once tapering the dose down over month and in both cases my mental health spiralled. I guess I'm wondering why such a small dose of Citalopram or Sertraline can be so transformative to the point I can't seem to live without the medication no matter how hard I work in therapy, what of eat of how much exercise I do.

There is lots of well done academic work on neurotransmitters/ serotonin and the relationship to depression
my experience with SSRIs is there are some people who do need them long term, especially if you have tried to come off them and become unwell. You know yourself best so go with what feels right for you

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ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 13:12

DustyLee123 · 28/01/2024 11:59

What do you think about menopause and the effect on women’s MH?

It’s a real bug bear of mine that women with no history of MH problems seek help with low mood and anxiety at menopause and get given antidepressants or dismissed when they need HRT. I am always boring colleagues going on about it!

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medianewbie · 28/01/2024 13:12

Re ADHD screening- my Ds has NHS dx of ASD & Clinical Anxiety. He also has an Ed Psych dx of Dyslexia & Dyscalculia. I suspect he also has ADHD. He would like an assessment & to try meds if it's positive. GP says NO ('waiting list closed as over 3 yrs'). I'm in Scotland. Ds is 19. How to arrange this?

Lifebeganat50 · 28/01/2024 13:16

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 12:57

Early onset is much more likely to run in families than later onset

And this is why my sibling and I (in our 50s) are shitting ourselves as our mum was diagnosed in her 50s with Alzheimer’s, with no known family history

LapinR0se · 28/01/2024 13:20

Thank you so so much @ipredictariot5 for this thread.

I have had anxiety as long as I can remember but it came to a head in 2012 with severe panic attacks and a prolonged spell of agoraphobia.

I was assessed at the capio nightingale in London and put on Sertraline 50mg, beta blockers when required and a long course of CBT.

I still take Sertraline 50mg so that’s 12 years of SSRIs.

i just read your criteria for ADHD and in fact I scored very highly on it. I wonder if I have ADHD and if so was the anxiety related to that? And also if Sertraline is an effective drug for ADHD or if I might be better trying something else.

LapinR0se · 28/01/2024 13:21

PS my issues with Sertraline are zero libido, I haven’t cried for 2 years even when I really want to, and restless legs.
My anxiety is very much under control.

Tippexy · 28/01/2024 13:23

Do you think we will one day look back on what we are doing to ‘trans’ children and call it abuse?

roselune · 28/01/2024 13:38

You've mentioned CBT in many of your responses. What do you think about psychodynamic and psychoanalytic therapies? Are you aware of the growing evidence-base that shows their longterm efficacy is often better than CBT.

Flensburg · 28/01/2024 13:40

Thank you very much for answering.
I am tapering off venlafaxine at the moment. They expect me to do it over three weeks and don't believe me when I say it won't work.
What is hyperbolic tapering @TrentCrimmIsHot and please do you have any links to groups?

ipredictariot5 · 28/01/2024 13:48

Passthepickle · 28/01/2024 09:36

My dh has been under mental health services and seen a fair few psychiatrists who have seem in once and made wildly different statements which have generated little follow up. Is this a problem generally in the NHS where you don’t get to follow up on patients?

Also my husband has been an unreliable and confused narrator sometimes yet I am rarely asked anything despite often initiating contact with HCPs. There are plenty of errors in his notes often due to his struggle to engage or reflect. To what extent should this be accounted for when HCPs are taking histories?

I can’t really comment on follow up - there is pressure to discharge due to volumes of patients at times but generally I have been able to maintain follow up when I think appropriate. However as many conditions are life long I tend to discharge if people are well and stable and see again if they worsen
collateral histories are really important and I always try to seek them with consent of the patient ( or without if the patient is so unwell they do not have capacity )

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TipulophobiaIsReal · 28/01/2024 13:48

How do you feel about the dismissive attitude towards older, effective medications, in favour of exciting new drugs with exciting new side effects?

Although I don't take them any more, I'm in online patient groups for people who use MAOIs. There's some evidence that these drugs are more effective than modern antidepressants, and certainly that they're more effective for people with certain subtypes of illness. There are some for whom no drug other than an MAOI works.

And yet for so many of us, it took decades before any doctor would try an MAOI, and people have been through complex polypharmacy with powerful antipsychotic and mood stabilisation treatment, ECT, ketamine treatment, and other extreme therapies, before even a simple trial of phenelzine or tranylcypromine would be considered. We're all aware of the small but manageable risk of interactions, how to prevent them and what to do if it happens, and it seems strange to us that psychiatrists prefer screwing up our metabolisms and giving us diabetes with atypical antipsychotics, or wiping our memories with electric currents through the brain, to trying an effective but older antidepressant with a couple of minor dietary restrictions.