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I'm a Church of England parish priest - AMA

408 replies

whyhere · 03/12/2022 08:37

Baptisms, weddings, funerals, Sunday worship, belief in general - I'm at your service 🙂

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 12:51

Cigal · 04/12/2022 08:58

What happens during the exorcisms? Curious as to whether it is like you see in films!

It's nothing like the films 🙂It consists of prayers, blessing spaces with holy water but, most importantly, and before taking any action at all, detailed conversations with those involved in order to properly understand the real issues.

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 12:53

MammaWeasel · 04/12/2022 10:01

Do you have instruments played to accompany the hymns in your church, and what is your favourite Christmas Carol?

Our traditional church has an organ, and our contemporary one uses recorded worship songs. My favourite carol is one of the slightly less well-known ones, called O Holy Night and my second favourite is Three Kings from Persian Lands Afar.

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 12:57

OfCourseIStillLoveYou · 04/12/2022 10:26

Thank you for answering my question (and for starting this thread, it's been very interesting).

So God has created a world which contains many good things, but also many very bad things (the childhood cancer, the insects which blind children, etc). And then he has left us to it? This seems to me, at best a 'neutral' act. How is God good? What is the nature of God's goodness?

You mentioned exorcisms. Do you believe in evil spirits/forces? Do you think it's plausible that evil forces could be the cause of the bad things in the world - rather than God?

Sorry, I know you've had a few questions on this topic and I understand if you don't answer this one. I'd love to have faith but the problem of evil is the stumbling block for me.

Thank you for your kind comments.

I believe that God is neutral in the sense that the only way for the world to continue to exist is for it to be a self-managing entity, which inevitably means that some bad things will happen. God shows us through the miracles in the Bible, and those which still happen today that the next life, if we attain/choose it, will be perfect. This life can, at times, be a true vale of tears.

I don't, personally (some Christians do) believe in a specific manifestation of evil ('the devil') but I do believe that evil exists in the world, and that the best way to try to overcome it is for people of faith to make their voices louder and more effective than the voices of those who would do us harm.

God does not intentionally cause us harm; of that I'm sure.

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 12:58

thelengthspeoplegoto · 04/12/2022 11:21

What does God look like in your mind's eye?

I have no definable image of God - more a sensation and an awareness.

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 12:59

CraftyGin · 04/12/2022 11:38

Do you have a staff team to share load?

Only a couple of very part-time people, and lots of willing volunteers, but the things I've listed fall to me, not them.

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:00

awomansvoice · 04/12/2022 11:46

"Just one observation: whenever we try to explain faith, or God, we are limited by the language we have at our disposal and the experiences we've had. There are many ways to find God, and God can work through all of them."

Thank-you for this answer. I think we're on the same page. I probably won't find a local priest to speak to though, because it's hard to know what they will be like and how they might engage. I think most people wouldn't feel comfortable doing this, because they'd feel that if they went into a church with some questions they'd have religion 'shoved down their throats'. That's why I'm grateful for you answering questions here, as it's less intimidating. In fact, I think this is a really good medium for faith-based discussions and the church should consider using it more, if it doesn't already. When I was a kid there were a lot of nice people at the church I went to including the leaders, but other 'churchy' people I've met have been very judgemental and their religion gave them a superiority complex. As a kid, I was looked down upon and treated badly by these churchy women, because I was poor and didn't have the right table manners etc and seen as lesser. I think this is a problem with trying to get anyone to go into a church, the image of judgemental, arrogant people.

Thank you for your kind words. I'm sorry that you've had some negative experiences.

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:01

Danceswithwhippets · 04/12/2022 12:12

Thank you for such an open, interesting, and helpful thread @whyhere -it's taking you away from your regular duties in your 80+ hours a week "day" job. You're much appreciated for it.
I say this as a man and an atheist, pretty much confirmed for life in both of these beliefs. 😂

Thank you for your kind words, and never say never 😉

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:04

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 12:35

I've asked a couple of questions already, but if I'm allowed another one ... in an ideal world, would you rather have services aimed at children and/or Sunday School during church services, or would you rather have children attending and participating in a mainstream/'adult' service? And do your congregation feel the same way you do?

I think this is one of those really hard questions to which there is no 'right' answer.

So-called 'all age worship' is something that most churches try to provide, at least once each month, but it's so difficult, as what works for children tends not to work for adults and vice versa. We compromise by having children's groups take place at the same time as our main services, in another area of the building, and then bringing everyone back together for communion and to share refreshments at the end.

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beastlyslumber · 04/12/2022 13:05

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 12:30

That Daily Mail article is (predictably) such a weirdly slanted interpretation.

It was just the first link that came up. The story was reported in lots of places.

Long story short: Cambridge Dean says Jesus was trans and God makes mistakes. Christians offended.

Vincitveritas · 04/12/2022 13:12

@Mercurial123 If you don't understand why someone like me might be offended by saying Jesus was no more than the product of rape by a Roman soldier, then any amount of explanation will be futile.

Vincitveritas · 04/12/2022 13:16

@beastlyslumber The guy said it in the pulpit at a church service! He's very lucky I wasn't in attendance.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 04/12/2022 13:21

whyhere · 04/12/2022 12:53

Our traditional church has an organ, and our contemporary one uses recorded worship songs. My favourite carol is one of the slightly less well-known ones, called O Holy Night and my second favourite is Three Kings from Persian Lands Afar.

Good carol choices 👍

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:24

whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:04

I think this is one of those really hard questions to which there is no 'right' answer.

So-called 'all age worship' is something that most churches try to provide, at least once each month, but it's so difficult, as what works for children tends not to work for adults and vice versa. We compromise by having children's groups take place at the same time as our main services, in another area of the building, and then bringing everyone back together for communion and to share refreshments at the end.

You're quite cagey, aren't you? I don't mean that nastily - I was really curious about this thread, because all the vicars I have known have been extremely skilled at deflecting questions of this kind, so you always know what the official position of the Church is, and you always know they've thought about at least two points of view, but you're no closer to knowing what they actually think.

It is AMA ... honestly, what would you like best? I'm not asking you to say whether you think it's 'right'.

It interests me because my benefice has quite an elderly congregation, and my daughter's often the only child (not always). Everyone seems to like her being there (or they're doing an excellent job of being polite to us about it! Grin). But there is a very strong feeling that children will not generally enjoy services and therefore, all age worship is terribly important. All age worship is sometimes, though not always, better attended by other families with children. It's ok, but my daughter doesn't enjoy it as much as normal church services (where she's involved and knows the structure). Whenever I talk to other local parents, the message they've taken away is that their children aren't really welcome at regular services, and all age worship is a bit dull for children, so clearly regular church would be much worse. I find it quite frustrating! It's two very well-meaning groups people who somehow manage not to communicate with each other. And I don't know, talking to the vicar, what he actually wants. I don't know if he honestly feels all age worship adds something special so is important to keep, or whether it's an attempt at reaching people in the hope they'll come to regular services more?

whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:29

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:24

You're quite cagey, aren't you? I don't mean that nastily - I was really curious about this thread, because all the vicars I have known have been extremely skilled at deflecting questions of this kind, so you always know what the official position of the Church is, and you always know they've thought about at least two points of view, but you're no closer to knowing what they actually think.

It is AMA ... honestly, what would you like best? I'm not asking you to say whether you think it's 'right'.

It interests me because my benefice has quite an elderly congregation, and my daughter's often the only child (not always). Everyone seems to like her being there (or they're doing an excellent job of being polite to us about it! Grin). But there is a very strong feeling that children will not generally enjoy services and therefore, all age worship is terribly important. All age worship is sometimes, though not always, better attended by other families with children. It's ok, but my daughter doesn't enjoy it as much as normal church services (where she's involved and knows the structure). Whenever I talk to other local parents, the message they've taken away is that their children aren't really welcome at regular services, and all age worship is a bit dull for children, so clearly regular church would be much worse. I find it quite frustrating! It's two very well-meaning groups people who somehow manage not to communicate with each other. And I don't know, talking to the vicar, what he actually wants. I don't know if he honestly feels all age worship adds something special so is important to keep, or whether it's an attempt at reaching people in the hope they'll come to regular services more?

Not intending to be in the least 'cagey' 🙂I would be delighted to have all ages worshipping together in all services but, in my experience, it's almost impossible to make that work for everyone. Of my two congregations, one is delighted to have children around and the other is less sure (very elderly).

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SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:31

beastlyslumber · 04/12/2022 13:05

It was just the first link that came up. The story was reported in lots of places.

Long story short: Cambridge Dean says Jesus was trans and God makes mistakes. Christians offended.

Mmm .... but it's not really, is it?

It's pretty mainstream to interpret Christ's side wound and Christ's body the way Heath did; there are shedloads of Christian writers who imagine Jesus as feminine or as having a flexible gender; it's not a massive leap (though, in my personal view, not very interesting) to think about Jesus in terms of transgender imagery. This was someone who is a JRF, so quite a junior scholar, playing with ideas that have been discussed in academic circles for ages. I'm a medievalist and even my crustiest, least fashionable colleagues would hear 'side wound of Christ ... vulva ... transgender' and understand where that junior scholar was coming from. He was probably being more than a bit naive to think that'd go over well in a non-academic context.

The dean has simply backed up his junior colleague, which TBH is what you'd hope he'd do. He hasn't said 'OMG yes, Jesus was definitely trans'. He said the 'speculation was legitimate' (ie., it was a fair question for the scholar to ask).

The headline screaming that the dean himself claimed Jesus was transgender is ... a reach.

nowaynotnownotever · 04/12/2022 13:31

Some Very political answers here I agree @SarahAndQuack. Lots of deflection. My questions were answered with responses to totally different questions.

One of the reasons I'll never trust a vicar, you can not get a straight answer. Like there's always an agenda 🤷‍♀️

Is this a defence mechanism I wonder?

I great thread though op, thank you for taking the time on it :)

beastlyslumber · 04/12/2022 13:31

Vincitveritas · 04/12/2022 13:16

@beastlyslumber The guy said it in the pulpit at a church service! He's very lucky I wasn't in attendance.

Would love to know what OP thinks. @whyhere ? Does God make mistakes? Was Jesus born in the wrong body?

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:32

whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:29

Not intending to be in the least 'cagey' 🙂I would be delighted to have all ages worshipping together in all services but, in my experience, it's almost impossible to make that work for everyone. Of my two congregations, one is delighted to have children around and the other is less sure (very elderly).

Grin Thank you for not taking offence! And for your continued patience.

IToldYouAmillionTimesAlready · 04/12/2022 13:33

whyhere · 03/12/2022 21:52

Because, to me, the world is so complex and amazing that nothing else makes sense.

"nothing else makes sense"??

So you think that one God created the entire world and all its inhabitants, flora and fauna? Ok then...............😂

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:34

nowaynotnownotever · 04/12/2022 13:31

Some Very political answers here I agree @SarahAndQuack. Lots of deflection. My questions were answered with responses to totally different questions.

One of the reasons I'll never trust a vicar, you can not get a straight answer. Like there's always an agenda 🤷‍♀️

Is this a defence mechanism I wonder?

I great thread though op, thank you for taking the time on it :)

That's really not what I meant! I was trying to gently tease the OP, not criticise harshly. I imagine it is very difficult to step out of your official role, when you've learned to answer everything very tactfully for your day job.

whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:38

SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:34

That's really not what I meant! I was trying to gently tease the OP, not criticise harshly. I imagine it is very difficult to step out of your official role, when you've learned to answer everything very tactfully for your day job.

If my answers appear political that is just coincidence - I've answered everything as honestly as I can. In fact, one of the reasons I've been told I will never be promoted is because I am too fond of saying what I really think!

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whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:38

Duty calls - thanks for all the questions.

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SarahAndQuack · 04/12/2022 13:39

whyhere · 04/12/2022 13:38

Duty calls - thanks for all the questions.

Have a nice afternoon! Hope whatever it is you're doing is fun as well as work.

custardbear · 04/12/2022 13:45

custardbear
I have a big issue with religion (except theoretical of course) being peddled in schools, particularly those that aren't religious schools (which I abhor but that's a different thread). How do you justify the church going into schools and the concerns from parents about potential indoctrination of their children?

I 'justify' it because the schools in my parish ask me to go in, and parents have the option to remove their children if they wish to.

We're often not told the church are going in. Don't get me wrong, if my children decided they wanted to follow religion of any kind I wouldn't mind, but I do mind anything other than fact being taught to my children in schools

PeterRabbitHadACarrot · 04/12/2022 13:45

nowaynotnownotever · 04/12/2022 13:31

Some Very political answers here I agree @SarahAndQuack. Lots of deflection. My questions were answered with responses to totally different questions.

One of the reasons I'll never trust a vicar, you can not get a straight answer. Like there's always an agenda 🤷‍♀️

Is this a defence mechanism I wonder?

I great thread though op, thank you for taking the time on it :)

Agree, noticed a few questions mine included and a few others I was keen to see response too were ignored.
But it is a christain priest - they would never do a real ask me anything with real answers. A few wishy replies, replying to any ego boosts of thanks. Guessing anything else would be walking too close to the devil or something. 🤣