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I teach English online, AMA

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17111180a · 28/01/2020 09:48

Inspired by a thread about the difficulties of finding work from home jobs. No one on the thread mentioned online teaching! BJT is 8 hours ahead of the UK so I teach mornings in the UK. Happy to answer any questions.

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Dumbledoresgirl · 28/01/2020 11:02

Well for starters, what does BJT stand for?

How did you get into this work? Do you have a specific qualification for teaching English as a foreign language?

17111180a · 28/01/2020 11:20

BJT stands for Beijing time.

I have a postgraduate TESOL diploma. Some form of TESOL/CELTA certificate is necessary.

I came across an online teaching company while looking for other work and discovered how many others like it there were after that.

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housinghelp101 · 28/01/2020 13:25

What company do you work for and what tips can you give that would increase the chances of getting hired? I know around the world expect different teaching styles, what in your experience is the preferred style for Chinese students?

FlowerArranger · 28/01/2020 13:38

How do you find students?
If via a company: what experiences have you had - any tips to avoid being taken advantage of?
Good companies vs ones to avoid? And why - what are the potential problems?
How do they (students vs companies) pay you?
Do you teach via Skype? If so, what problems should one be aware of, or do you have any tips to optimise this mode of teaching?
Are all your students in China, or where else are your students?
Anything else you can think of an aspiring EEL teacher (like my son...) ought to bear in kind?

FlowerArranger · 28/01/2020 13:39

Mind... bear in mind!

17111180a · 28/01/2020 15:18

I work for Whales (formerly Sprout). I can't talk about teaching adults or working free-lance. I have some lesson prep to do so trying to answer and anticipate any questions that might come up. Hence the epic post!

Chinese parents like online teachers to be high energy, polished and warm. For the younger children, they like lots of props (stolen from my kids' toy box!) sound effects, body language (called TPR) and positive feedback. Think children's TV presenter. Teachers are encouraged to develop students' critical thinking skills with lots of open-ended questions.

The best chance of being hired is to fulfill all the requirements of that company and knock the demo lesson out of the park. There are YouTube videos which give great advice on how to do that. It also helps to go through a current teacher who can advise during salary negotiations and check the status of your application. It isn't essential to have a recuiter though - I've done both ways.

Some companies ask for a degree, ESL certificate and a certain amount of experience. Others insist you're a native speaker, or a US resident. The Chinese government has recently changed its regulations around online teaching. This squeezes out some current teachers, leaving a gap for those who happen to meet the criteria.

You need to have great internet connection and be fully prepared to commit a certain number of hours for the best part of a year. You can teach from anywhere but to keep the job, it's essential to show up no matter what. Blizzards, flu, etc cut no ice. There's little job security and no room for unreliability. However if a lesson is booked and a student doesn't show up, we're still paid.

I don't find students. I have an intro video and a profile. Chinese parents are provided with a selection of teachers. They choose the best fit for their child. Teachers are marketed by support staff who act as a go-between between teachers and parents.

I don't work for less than $20 dollars an hour. There are incentives on top of that. (I'm in the UK but still paid in dollars.) If I was willing to work for less, I'd have the option of working for many more companies.

Every company has good and bad reviews. Whales is one of the best IMO. You do need to be patient starting out - it takes time to pick up classes.

Lessons are provided but teachers are also expected to add to the given materials and make the lessons their own. The students are so adorable and diligent that this is well worth the effort!

Peak hours work out mid-morning to early afternoon, 7 days a week - with extra hours at the weekend if you're open to doing nights (Chinese am). Little children are available to teach a little earlier during the week-9/10am UK time. It's against the law to teach children past 9pm (BJT) but some teachers switch to teaching adults then.

It works really well for parents who aren't the breadwinner but have a few hours available during school hours/weekend mornings. I honestly don't know why more people don't do it. An online TESOL certificate is easy to get.

Chinese children work so hard and are under a great deal of pressure. Ideally, online English lessons are uplifting and provide a warm relational context for their experience of learning English. And it works both ways. I find it a fascinating and enriching experience to parachute into homes and families I would otherwise never encounter.

The online teaching community is a very supportive place and I've received lots of helpful advice along the way. Happy to pay it forward if I can.

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FlowerArranger · 28/01/2020 15:35

Thank you so much for your very detailed response! Smile

One more question, if I may: which online teaching community were you referring to?

NextdoorNeighbourIsATwat · 28/01/2020 15:44

Could you do less hours OP? Like 4 mornings per week for example? I'm really interested in doing it (I have the appropriate qualifications). I'm slightly scared about getting no students though and am currently in employment so I'd have to hand in my notice - the thought of having no work after that is quite scary! What are the chances of that happening?

17111180a · 28/01/2020 18:40

Next I understand your position! There would be a lean period while you're building up classes and going through training. You would be assigned Trials classes during that time period and this is based on your personal 'conversion rate' (how many trials result in a student signing up). It's also hard to predict how proactive your support staff will be. Experiences of getting work are so diverse but no one really knows why - at least the teachers don't! This is a good time of year because the academic term is just beginning. If you have a great introduction video with high energy and graphics, there is a much better chance of picking up classes quickly. Teachers are also constantly being evaluated and high scores from evaluators combined with good parent reviews seem to make a difference.

Yes, it is possible to do 4 mornings provided you open the minimum number of lesson slots. Whales require 8 fixed hours to be open. Keeping that time free if you have no lessons booked can be frustrating. But then earning a couple of thousand dollars a month for sitting at your kitchen table (or anywhere in the world with internet connection) with highly motivated children is a sweet deal. You would need to fill 20 lessons weekly to be in that position but it is not at all unattainable.

Flower Whales has a very lovely Facebook group for employees where any and every question is answered almost instantly. There are many similar groups and a lot of YouTubers also give great advice. If you have a recruiter, they are paid by the company to hold your hand initially as well.

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housinghelp101 · 28/01/2020 20:56

OP could you link to a few good youtube lessons please? I haven't had any experience for the last few years and really want to see what is considered up to date. I watched a few lessons of Tutor ABC (or something similar) and I really wasn't impressed!

17111180a · 28/01/2020 22:40

No problem! Nancy Taylor from VIPKid is considered really good and does a good tutorial on passing a demo. Sorry, can't do links from my phone but she's very easy to find on YouTube. The companies are all looking for her style (Whales is very slightly more academic).

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housinghelp101 · 29/01/2020 07:00

Gosh OP that looks exhausting Grin Very good to know what they are looking for though.

How thoroughly do they need to verify your experience? Do they need references for all work/jobs?

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FlowerArranger · 29/01/2020 07:23

Apart from China, which other countries and/or companies are 'good' for online teaching?

Any that are not so good or best avoided? What potential problems or pitfalls exist?

What about payment - is there a risk of not getting paid?

17111180a · 29/01/2020 09:06

Payment with some companies can be unpredictable from what I've heard. I've had no problems.

As far as I know, it's possible to teach online with students in Vietnam and South Korea. There's a company just about to open for children in Europe. However, they don't pay the same as companies like Whales working in China so I haven't followed them up.

They don't ask for references but they do make detailed notes about past experience and check all degree certificates etc. If you're married and the qualifications are in your maiden name, they also require a copy of your marriage certificate.

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FlowerArranger · 29/01/2020 09:42

Thank you so much Smile

Lougle · 29/01/2020 10:17

I watched the video of Nancy. She's very... American in her style. Do you have to be as 'large' as she is, or can you just be 'nicely animated'?

17111180a · 29/01/2020 11:25

I think I'm more 'nicely animated" 🙂 But Nancy's style would pass any demo class.

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Graphista · 29/01/2020 11:45

This is something I am seriously considering doing and has been suggested to me several times as I am housebound and have suffered from agoraphobia to varying levels for several years.

BUT

Is it possible to get a decent tesol qualification online also?

“An online TESOL certificate is easy to get.” But they’re not all equally accepted are they so which would you recommend?

What tech/equipment would I need?

I have a little savings I could use for this. I currently only have mobile phone, fire tablet and echo dot.

But willing and able to get a laptop, and peripheral devices and software depending on cost.

I already have an English degree and I have many years experience as a babysitter, nanny and childminder as well as a mother (although dd almost 19)

But I’d be open to teaching any age.

Lougle · 29/01/2020 12:04

It's interesting, for sure.

17111180a · 29/01/2020 17:14

Graphista I'm hesitant to recommend a certificate because I didn't do one myself. Many colleagues got a certificate in a weekend just to tick the TEFL box. Groupon does them! However, while it might be accepted by a teaching company who like you, I'd be suspicious of anything less than 120 hrs. Don't be taken in by courses claiming to be 'official' or 'acredited'' - much like counseling diplomas, anyone can claim that. Your best bet is to join an online teaching Facebook group and ask for opinions, then go with the majority view. Don't assume a more expensive course is better. It's worth knowing that some companies (can't remember who) will put you through some sort of TEFL training (for a fee) first.

You have a degree and you're a native speaker so have lots going for you that other teachers don't. I'd like this to work out for you. You need to find something that will pass as experience of teaching children. From what you've mentioned, it's unlikely you could walk into a job with a higher paying company but there's no reason you couldn't start with something smaller and do that for 6-12 months, then start submitting applications to others. Having the right look, accent and energy is very appealing to companies while very experienced older teachers are sometimes- unfairly!- turned away.

Can I suggest you go to the following websites and take a look at the requirements in terms of computer specs, experience and qualifications? Some require you to be a US resident but the requirements are still worth a glance. It's worth applying even if you don't quite fulfill all the criteria as there's a bit of a race on to stockpile teachers at the moment.

Have a look at itutor, Blingabc, Dada, VIPKid, Cambly, EF Education First, Whales, Magic Ears, QKids, VIPX.

Teachers are paid to recruit new teachers so don't take everything you hear on a forum as gospel truth. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

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dodokusu · 29/01/2020 18:08

all these tips are very much appreciated. thanks for taking the time.
any tips for teaching english online to adults? lists of reliable sites?
thanks again :)

housinghelp101 · 29/01/2020 18:35

OP how rigorous did you find the whole interview/recruitment process? Is Whales in deficit or surplus of teachers? I'm also going to pm you about something if you don't mind?

17111180a · 29/01/2020 20:54

housing Go ahead :) The interview process isn't particulary rigorous and there isn't much variation in the process from what I can tell. You submit an application and are invited to interview. During the interview you're required to teach a demo class (teaching slides are attached to the invitation to interview email). Some companies then put you through around 9 hours of online training which to have to pass with another demo at the end. This is a way of weeding out anyone who is obviously a disaster rather than a real teaching test :) During the training process for regular classes, you may be required to teach Trials which are like adverts for the company. It's worth knowing that different companies have different definitions of 'experience' in teaching. Some companies don't recognise self-employed tutoring, piano teaching, voluntary work etc while others do.

flower Companies used to use Zoom but have recently switched to their own platforms. These are still having teething problems. I'm paid through Payoneer.

Recently, investors in online English teaching companies have started to demand a return on their investments, prompting a massive recruitment/advertising drive. Teachers are being stockpiled and advertising for students has been stepped up. Companies which were previously doing very well are struggling and incentives have gone down. Teachers are hopping about a lot. Compared to how things used to be, incentives are lower and students are harder to pick up. However, there is still a demand and good teachers can still do well. VIPX is worth looking into if you don't mind having virtually no time off.

Graphista I think you might be best starting with EF Education First. They're very established, they require a degree (but not experience) and they will train you. The pay isn't good but it would be a foot in the door.

Adult companies I have heard about (but not used) are itutorgroup, Cambly, Preply, EF (adults) and Palfish. itutorgroup sound great, to be honest

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dodokusu · 30/01/2020 07:21

thank you, very helpful...