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I’m an ex-serving forces wife. Ask me anything

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MyBreadIsEggy · 13/07/2018 07:43

I did my time in the army, and then married a serving soldier, so I see both sides of the coin!
Ask me anything

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forgivenminds · 13/07/2018 07:49

How old were you when you joined the army and how long did you serve. If you had your time again would you still join and would you recommend it to your own DC when they are older ?

MyBreadIsEggy · 13/07/2018 07:53

forgivenminds I was 16 - went straight in from school. Served my contracted 4 years.
I would definitely do it again. It shaped me into the person I am today and gave me life experience I otherwise wouldn’t have.
This may be very hypocritical of me, but it’s not a career I would want for my children. Serving myself and being married to a soldier is very very different to being the mother of a soldier. I know the system, I know what goes on out of the public eye, and it’s not something I would encourage my children to do. But I guess my mum felt these exact same way when I strolled in with my application forms, thrust them at her and said “oi mum, sign that” Confused

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LascellesMoustache · 22/07/2018 19:03

Are you still about Op?! Can't believe they the hadn't been more questions I have loads, but they mostly relate to you having been a soldier rather than being married to one...

Why did you sign up in the first place?

How come you stopped after 4 years?

What was your best memory, and worst?

Did you meet your partner in tour or training? How do relationships work in the army?

What kind of things are kept out of the public eye, do you mean the culture and behaviours, or more the actual work?

If you coke back in sure I'll have more questions!

LascellesMoustache · 22/07/2018 19:03

Come not coke obviously!

MyBreadIsEggy · 22/07/2018 19:36

Yes I’m still here Smile

Why did you sign up in the first place?
Had a very slim chance of doing well in my GCSE’s due to sheer laziness and being a teenage asshat who refused to turn up for classes. I’m actually pretty intelligent academically, just never put that to use! I honestly don’t know what possessed me to walk into the army careers office, but I did! Filled in my application when I was 15, took it home and was just a “oi mum, sign this” kind of situation.
I turned 16 and off I went the following January.

How come you stopped after 4 years? Serious injury. Almost lost my life and the use of my right leg.

What was your best memory, and worst? My best memories are all about the people I worked with Smile The one that’s at the front of my brain right now, is one weekend we weren’t allowed to leave camp due to some severe snow. The army have a duty of care over you no matter what your age, so we were “strictly advised”, ie quietly ordered not to attempt the journey home by car or train due to the severe weather. So we all stayed and got horrendously drunk in the local. Turns out while we were gone, some idiot had decided to completely trash the block, resulting in all of us being punished for one moron’s mistake. I remember being stood on the parade square on the Sunday morning, still pissed out of my tree, swaying. Then all of a sudden someone decided they were bored, and we launched into a whole regiment rendition of Don’t Look Back In Anger Grin
Worst memory is pretty self explanatory - my injury.

Did you meet your partner in tour or training? How do relationships work in the army?
I met him outside of work, through mutual friends - he’s serving in a different branch of the military.
We only saw each other on weekends and leave blocks, and it involved a lot of travelling. Mainly me doing the travelling as his camp was a lot closer to my parents house than mine, so I could kill two birds with one stone.
I’ve got friends now who are both still serving and are married to each other and have DC’s. It’s not something I’d want for my family, but it can and does work for other people Smile

What kind of things are kept out of the public eye, do you mean the culture and behaviours, or more the actual work?

Mainly culture and behaviours - a lot of civilians think they know what it’s like from what they see on TV, but what the army allow to be officially filmed (Think tv shoes like channel 4’s British Army Girls etc) is very different to actual army life. It’s painful to watch because I can see how staged it all is, and how the recruits and instructors have been coached on what they can and can’t say/do on camera!

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LascellesMoustache · 22/07/2018 21:02

Thats such an insight, thank you. And sorry to hear you were so badly injured too Flowers Must be so so hard to loose your career as well as use of a limb all in one go. Did you get much support after?

Ok I have more questions,

Guessing it was quite a male dominated environment ypu were working in, how did you find that? Do they try and make women feel included or not really?

The first time you went out into an actual warzone (eg not training or at the base camp thing) were you really really scared? Or does the training mean you can handle it ok?

What did your parents think when you signed up?

Whats your most interesting story from your time in your job?

How do you find life now as a spouse? How much longer will your husband work for the army and do you wish he didnt now?

How do you talk to your children about it? Do you talk to them about the potential dangers or not? Does the army give you guidance as to how to handle it?

MyBreadIsEggy · 22/07/2018 21:34

Did you get much support after?
Support during and in the immediate aftermath were second to none. Military medical services are top notch, highly trained and absolutely incredible at their jobs. Surgeries and rehabilitation were amazing too, and ongoing support or “resettlement” after leaving have been good. Not as good as the support could be, but the money just isn’t there to give everyone the support they need.

Guessing it was quite a male dominated environment ypu were working in, how did you find that? Do they try and make women feel included or not really?
I was the only female in a team of six, and only one of 3 women in the battery (equivalent of an infantry company in size).
In my experience, the way you are treated as a women very much depends on how you conduct yourself. There are women who will act very much like a girly girl, and expect the lads to put up with that and treat them like some special little flower because they have a vagina Hmm Does not work that way. You conduct yourself as a soldier. Obviously banter is a huge part of military life, so getting taken the piss out of in a lighthearted way for being a woman was just part and parcel of the job - but it’s very easy to tell when that is just jokes and banter and when it’s meant in a nasty way. Luckily, I never experienced the nasty side of things. I essentially grew up with 3 out of the 5 lads I worked closely with. We went through training together, so were more like siblings to me than anything else! The most important thing for anyone to remember is you are a soldier first and foremost. You do your job to the best of your ability regardless of what genitals you have, and don’t ever expect any kind of special treatment just because you’re female. You carry the same weight, you face the same physical and academic testing as your male counterparts.

The first time you went out into an actual warzone (eg not training or at the base camp thing) were you really really scared? Or does the training mean you can handle it ok?
Your training does kick in. But anyone who says they aren’t scared every single time they leave the safety of a camp/compound/fob etc is a bullshitter.

What did your parents think when you signed up?
My dad was a military man so wasn’t really bothered - it’s what would have been expected of me if I was a boy, so I think he was pleasantly surprised when I made the decision to do it.
My mum has never really talked about it, but knew I’d do it with or without her blessing, as my dad would have signed the paperwork if she refused.

Whats your most interesting story from your time in your job?
Probably concerning a friend of mine and her accident. You know how in movies something goes “boom” and then it’s all chaos and drama?
She was driving a vehicle, I was a few vehicles behind, and she drove over what we think was an old Russian mine. Her vehicle goes boom. Once we got to her, we expected a mangled mess. Instead, the front of the vehicle was a mangled mess and she was sat in the drivers seat, still strapped in, with a single cut to her face, a broken wrist and knocked out.
She woke up half hour later, thought she had hit a electricity pylon and just kept saying “How fucked is the vehicle? The boss is going to chew my arse” Grin I had to break it to her that in fact she was the luckiest fucker I’d ever met and explain what actually happened while 4 other blokes were stood round her bed pissing themselves with laughter!

How do you find life now as a spouse? How much longer will your husband work for the army and do you wish he didnt now?
Life as a spouse is different. But a good different Smile
I can give my kids the stability of always having at least one parent around. We’ve been at our current posting for 6 years which is quite a long time as postings go. It’s hard essentially being a single parent to two very small kids when DH goes away - which has been a lot over the last couple of years, but it’s part and parcel of this lifestyle.
DH has another 14 years that he’s contracted to serve. He’s the kind of guy who’s very much a career soldier. It’s all he’s ever known and he loves his job Smile

How do you talk to your children about it? Do you talk to them about the potential dangers or not? Does the army give you guidance as to how to handle it?

Kids are still very little, so don’t really understand what daddy does in the grand scheme of things. They know he goes away a lot, so we try to prepare them as best we can for that - we tell them that daddy is going on a little holiday, which is an in-joke between me and DH as one of his jobs a few years ago was in Cyprus where all he did was lay on them beach and stag on towers Grin My little one was a tiny baby when he went away the first time in his life, and that was a good 4ish months, so the fact he didn’t recognise DH when he came back was hard on everyone - especially DH. He spent most of DS’s first year hear there and everywhere, so they still have a bit of a weird relationship. DS will play with DH etc, but will always come to me for everything else and gets very upset if I go anywhere without him. I totally understand though - I’ve been the only constant in his life and he clings to that as if his life depends on it. DD is very much all for her dad, and she gets very upset when he leaves Sad But she has a better understanding of time than her brother, so I can do countdown charts and things for her so she can see just how many days until daddy comes home etc.
If a whole regiment or battalion are going away together, there’s usually well organised families briefings where we get info on welfare services and advice etc, but when it’s just the odd one or two going somewhere, like it is majority of the time for DH, there’s none of that. But I’m fine with dealing with it myself nowadays Smile I have some amazing friends here who are like a solid wall of support, so I will be very sad to leave them when the time comes

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SquatsThoughtYouSaidShots · 23/07/2018 10:23

Why do you think there is so much cheating in relationships within the army, both sides serving and partners of?

SquatsThoughtYouSaidShots · 23/07/2018 10:25

What do you think of the MH care within the army, I see lots of unwell people through my job, I don’t know if the support is there and they are not accessing it or it’s not really readily available/accessable as you would be looked down of it you tried to access.

MyBreadIsEggy · 23/07/2018 10:40

Why do you think there is so much cheating in relationships within the army, both sides serving and partners of?
People within the forces family often get married very young and for the wrong reasons. For example, couple in their early 20’s, serving partner receives a posting order, and the only options for them to stay together is either private rent a property nearby the new posting, or get married slap dash in order to get a married quarter. I’ve seen so many marriages last 6 months or less, as often the new wife has no idea what this lifestyle actually entails, and finds herself often alone, in a sub-standard house, away from her family and knowing no one. Divorce papers often follow very quickly.
There’s the on-going forces joke about Leroy popping round to service the Mrs while the serving partner is way Grin but you’re right, for some that joke turns out to be entirely true.
I think that for the guys serving who get married quickly, it’s hard for them to give up the single lads life. They seem to want the best of both worlds, and often alcohol has a starring role in the cheating. I know more serving partners that have cheated (some of their wives have never found out about it, and others have) than wives cheating - but there’s a few stories of cheating wives where we are currently posted!

What do you think of the MH care within the army, I see lots of unwell people through my job, I don’t know if the support is there and they are not accessing it or it’s not really readily available/accessable as you would be looked down of it you tried to access.
My personal experience of MH care was pretty good - but again it comes down to money, where you’re posted and what’s available at the time.
It’s got better in recent years, as more people are willing to reach out for help. Emergency MH support ie for people injured like I was, is pretty good. I was offered counselling before I even mentioned anything that would be a MH red flag. But more often than not, it’s down to the individual to access support, or for lads to keep an eye out for each others MH. I know a few people who’ve had a word with their chain of command with regards to a mates MH - which can go one of two ways: the mate is either very grateful that someone else has taken that first step for them, as that’s the hardest part, or they are furious with their colleague because they are often in denial about their own mental state or embarrassed out fear of appearing weak.
All branches of the military have really upped their game in recent years though. Posters and campaigns everywhere, and in my experience the Padres (station chaplains) are wonderful people who’s door is always open for a cup of tea and an informal chat if you’re not ready to take the plunge down the official route yet.

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LascellesMoustache · 23/07/2018 19:42

Wow your friend was lucky considering the circumstances, good she was ok. Do you mind me asking what your accident was? Don't answer if you can't face it obviously Wine

I didn't know men and women sleep in the same area, I always thought they would be separate.

What happens if people fancy each other when they are on tour then, are the rules so super strict people just wait until they are home or are relationships allowed?

Also, if your superior gives you an order and you disagree, are you allowed to disobey it? What happens if you disobey it and then you ultimately turn out to be right, would you still get told off?

MyBreadIsEggy · 24/07/2018 06:55

Urrgghh stupid preview button!!!
Just wrote out a lengthy reply, pressed preview instead of send and then refreshed the page Hmm
Will start a fresh later once the small people are fed and watered!

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MyBreadIsEggy · 24/07/2018 07:28

My accident involved an explosion, resulting in a complete shattered hip joint.

I didn't know men and women sleep in the same area, I always thought they would be separate.
It is separate where possible - but on operations, depending on where you are, you just take what you’re given. In training it’s always separate - either seperate blocks or seperate corridors at least. Once out of training, most people move into Single Living Accomodation, which are kind of like ensuite hotel rooms with a lockable door. Like a block of flats, you decide who you allow into your space.

What happens if people fancy each other when they are on tour then, are the rules so super strict people just wait until they are home or are relationships allowed?
On operations, it’s very clear that any kind of fraternisation between colleagues is not tolerated. You’re there to do a job, and anything that might hinder your focus on the job is a big no. I know married couples who have deployed at different times, but found themselves in the same area at one time or another, and even then it’s not allowed. Again, in training, any kind of fraternisation between troops is a big no.
But once out of training and in your normal day to day job, pretty much anything goes as long as it’s not affecting work. Personally though, I’ve seen it get messy with inter-regiment shagging...not something I’d want to get involved in personally! Of course real relationships do form - I’ve got a friend who began dating one of her superiors (which was pretty frowned upon but not directly against any rules), they were given hell at work. But they’ve now been together best part of 10 years, have DCs and are getting married at the end of the year!

Also, if your superior gives you an order and you disagree, are you allowed to disobey it? What happens if you disobey it and then you ultimately turn out to be right, would you still get told off
Technically refusing to obey and order is classed as “refusing to soldier”, which is a chargeable offence - ie a fine docked from your wages. The only way you really have a leg to stand on is if an order is unlawful, in direct violation of the Geneva convention or rules of engagement.

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