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I'm a Police Officer, AMA

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PCAMA · 11/07/2018 11:23

Also worked in the call centre answering 101 and 999 calls before becoming an officer so AMA about either!

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whatsmynametoday · 11/07/2018 18:26

I applied to join the police about 15 years ago, went through all the selections and got in, but had to withdraw from The training as I was pregnant and was only offered a new start when baby was a few months old.

I'd planned to go into child protection and was told it's such an unpopular area I wouldn't have any problem getting in and would be in quite quickly from finishing probation.

I've looked at joining again but looks like I won't pass the medical 😔

Are there any civvy jobs within the police and child protection?

Littlechocola · 11/07/2018 18:29

Thank you for your honesty.

Would you like more training around mental health?
I’m a mental health nurse and work closely with the police but sometimes think that we only work together when someone is already in crisis. It would be nice if health care professionals and the police could work together before this point.

kimlo · 11/07/2018 18:37

once a (very complicated) case has been taken to the cps how soon would you expect to hear about charges?

Who would the victims be told? Would it be soon after the decision?

PCAMA · 11/07/2018 18:40

I am interested to know - if you get caught speeding off duty (or similar smaller offense), would you be sacked?

No. In fact, before I joined I did a speed awareness course and there was a police officer on it. You'd have to inform Professional Standards though. If you tried to hide it, then you would be sacked.

Are you very fit?

I'm not very fit, some officers are! Obviously there's a fitness test but tbh the standards are pretty low.

How political are you and your colleagues?

I wouldn't say we're any more or less political than any other cross section of society. Obviously we discuss the parts of politics that affect policing and some officers are happy to have more in depth discussions. Most officers I know don't support the Tories though.

Giveme see if your force or surrounding forces have civilian investigators. Ours does and they work as part of a team of officers, so you've got your Sgt, team of PCs and a civilian investigator. They can take statements, interview suspects, build case files etc. The only things they can't do are arrest people and seize things. They can also go into specialist departments like domestic abuse, child abuse and CID.

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TopBitchoftheWitches · 11/07/2018 18:49

Do you get frustrated when someone walks away from a crime, when you know they are lying but the CPS won't pursue it?

still very bitter about an assault

PCAMA · 11/07/2018 18:51

whatsmyname hopefully my previous reply has answered your question.

Littlechocola I don't think more training could ever hurt. I think there needs to be a way of sharing information before someone is in crisis as well. My force currently shares information with adult and social services about people who come to our attention who might require extra support but I've recently discovered there's nothing in place with MH services at this time.

Ellinor I missed your question about favourite/last favourite services - if I was completely honest I'd say my favourite is whoever is most helpful when I need them and least favourite is whoever isn't helpful! Not a straight answer I know but I couldn't say one service is worse than another because I think it ultimately comes down to the people in them.

kimlo the CPS have a massive workload and I think the wait is a good few weeks at least at the moment unless we have someone in custody and need and urgent decision. I would hope that when the officer dealing has an answer, they'd be in touch as soon as possible though.

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PCAMA · 11/07/2018 18:54

Do you get frustrated when someone walks away from a crime, when you know they are lying but the CPS won't pursue it?

Yes. Obviously not as frustrated as the victim, but it is disheartening.

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kimlo · 11/07/2018 18:57

it's been a couple of weeks already. Hopefully soon then.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 11/07/2018 18:58

Thank you for answering, every single police officer I spoke to told me they knew I was telling the truth.

Also, a massive huge thank you for the job you do Flowers

PretABoire · 11/07/2018 19:01

are there any laws you have to uphold which you don’t believe in?

Have you ever had to “move on” a rough sleeper for being an eyesore?

Do you believe there is a problem with racial profiling in the police?

Why are no apologies issued when someone is wrongly arrested in a case of mistaken identity?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 11/07/2018 19:01

There's a couple of kids going off the rails in DD's class. Sex, drugs, rock n roll behaviour in 14 year olds.

One of them perpetually goes missing, his mum phones the police to find him, which they do when he's too pissed to hide.

How common is it hat you get recurrent MisPer calls for the same kid? What do you think the answer is to low level antisocial behaviour in young teens?

PCAMA · 11/07/2018 20:19

are there any laws you have to uphold which you don’t believe in?

I wouldn't say "don't believe in" as such, but I think drugs should be legalised.

Have you ever had to “move on” a rough sleeper for being an eyesore?

No, it's typically the neighbourhood officers that are sent to do that. I did take lots of phone calls about it though. Sometimes I found it difficult to hide my judgement of the caller, especially the one who requested we move on a young teenager who had been sleeping rough. By young I'm talking about 14. Obviously it was good that it was brought to our attention because that child needed help, but the caller was just interested in getting him moved on and there was no concern for the lad's welfare.

Do you believe there is a problem with racial profiling in the police?

I honestly haven't witnessed any first hand but the town I police is predominantly white. Our top drug dealers are white British and our prolific thieves and burglars are white British. I won't say there isn't a problem with racial profiling because I just don't know, I can't make that judgement based on my experience in the town I cover.

Why are no apologies issued when someone is wrongly arrested in a case of mistaken identity?

Again, not one I can easily answer. I've mistakenly arrested the wrong person once and I apologised personally, but if you're asking why public apologies aren't released by the force, I don't know. Possibly because an arrest is made in the first place because officers genuinely suspect that person has committed a crime and the arrest is necessary. An investigation takes place and proves that person did not commit the crime, but the officers in reality have done nothing wrong. They've acted lawfully and can provide justification for the arrest. Obviously if its an unlawful arrest then I would hope apologies would be made.

How common is it hat you get recurrent MisPer calls for the same kid? What do you think the answer is to low level antisocial behaviour in young teens?

Some kids? Every day. Some a few times a week, others every other week. I've even seen some go missing twice in one day. Recurrent missing persons are incredibly common unfortunately. In relation to low level anti social behaviour, I really do think it would be a good start for kids to just have somewhere to go. If the choice was some kind of club where they could socialise, be warm, dry and safe, or a bus stop I think most would pick the club, especially in winter. It wouldn't stop it completely though, in warmer weather they're gonna want to be outside and there are always going to be some kids who prefer to hang around at bus stops (and outside shops, in parks etc). Especially when you bring alcohol and drugs into the equation.

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Helish · 11/07/2018 20:20

How do police officers feel about civilian investigators? Are they part of the team or seen as no quite real police and tolerated? I’m interested as I’ve applied locally for such a job after a few years at home

Littlechocola · 11/07/2018 20:26

PCAMA Thank you.

BonnieF · 11/07/2018 20:30

What should be done to increase diversity in the police? How do we get a much higher proportion of women / BAME / LGBT officers so that the police look far more like the communities they serve?

My local force is still overwhelmingly white and male.

Fairylights29 · 11/07/2018 20:33

Did you feel prepared in terms of safety after your training? Are you often on patrol on your own?

PCAMA · 11/07/2018 20:33

Helish definitely seen as part of the team. I think officers and civilian investigators complement each other quite well actually. We happily do stuff for them that they can't do and they do things for us like take a statement. In fact, I only found out that one woman in another team who I see in occasionally is a civilian investigator last week - always thought she was an officer (on restricted duties so not in uniform) as she's not treated any differently to anyone else.

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Dorismakethetea · 11/07/2018 20:35

PCAMA-a bit of cynicism is good, it stops you being taken for a mug to begin with! I do like talking to people from all walks of life though so that has always been the best part of the job for me.

Elinor historically (I think I'm right on this) the police have done 'better' under Labour -look at what Teresa May did to police forces as Home secretary, however my personal opinion is to have a great police force you have to support them in unpopular decisions and not try to point score or make out everything they do is biased or as a result of racism-these are modern forces trying to move with the times but just because someone doesnt like being told what to do it doesnt mean they are in the right.

LittleChocola Id say the police are unfairly left to deal with MH issues in the community-I think its less of a case of understanding and more of a case of being left to deal with MH issues and situations when they shouldn't be-for example custodies are not the place for MH patients nor should officers have to stay with MH patients in hospital because staff there know they cant leave them. In my training we had input from a MH professional who shut me down when I asked a question-that was a bad start, however I've dealt with 100's of MH situations since and I mostly feel compassion for them as you know its the illness not them.

ASP is a Met police thing, all other forces called them batons Ive found. same thing though.

re sexual assault-yes the reporter is taken seriously, I have found this to be the case anyway-you have to take it seriously anyway and complete the minimum standard of initial investigation, even in the scenario when you 'know' that what they are telling you isn't the truth but I have found in those cases, something has happened at some point and they are usually vulnerable hence them coming to police. Most case that arent prosecuted or 'dont go anywhere' is due to lack of actual evidence, reluctance to provide statements or CPS.

Im really tired atm so I hope that makes sense!

Helish · 11/07/2018 20:47

Good to know, thanks for replying

HollowTalk · 11/07/2018 23:53

If someone calls 999 does it go to a central call centre? I was thinking of the awful disaster at Grenfell Towers and wondered about so many people, both residents and neighbours, calling 999 at the same time. What happens in that situation? And would the poor people who got through but were stuck in the building be able to stay on the phone? Would there be enough staffing for that?

PCAMA · 12/07/2018 05:38

What should be done to increase diversity in the police? How do we get a much higher proportion of women / BAME / LGBT officers so that the police look far more like the communities they serve?

I think it's about generational attitudes. Although there's still a misogynist culture, its better than it was ten, twenty years ago and I think we're already getting more women in the police. My intake was probably 40% female so still not enough to be representative of society but getting there. The team I'm on is 65% female.
I think for BME and LGBT, we need to earn their trust before we try and get them to join. It's all well and good having campaigns with BME officers on posters and stuff but the pain fact is, if people don't trust you then the thought of joining you isn't going to cross their mind. Things like the Stephen Lawrence inquiry are still fresh and the people that have been affected by racial profiling, or discrimination because of LGBT issues, are going to teach their kids that police are people to stay away from (and I'm not blaming them at all). We need to get the trust back so that we become a viable option for people and that's a long term thing, there's no quick fix.

Did you feel prepared in terms of safety after your training?

No Grin that was my own worries though. When I was fresh out of training I was terrified about having my first physical conflict situation. When it happened, all my training came back to me straight away. I didn't have to think about it, I just moved automatically. So I didn't feel prepared, but I was, if that makes sense?

Are you often on patrol on your own?

Yes, my force routinely single crews officers as policy. However we look out for each other - we listen to the radio, if someone is going to a griefy sounding job we'll back them up, if someone is dealing with something and you get that "feeling" from their updates or location that something is going to happen, units start floating in their direction so that they're closer if need be. Doesn't always work, there's been assistance shouts (where an officer presses their emergency button) and there's been no one close by to attend. Officers will of course still attend, they don't just go "oh I'm not close by never mind", it's just that they could be coming from 20/30 miles away. We do the best we can with what we've got.

Hollow When you call 999 you go through to a central call centre that's used purely for connecting you to a service. There's one in Glasgow and one in Bangor - there might be more but those are the two that I remember (always introduce the call as "Glasgow connecting" or "Bangor connecting"). To put that in perspective, I work in the South East, so our callers would be put through to Scotland or Wales first and asked which service they require. Once they've requested a service, the operator then puts them through to the local service. In my area, we have three call centres, so you're not being put through to the local station, just another centralised call centre that's somewhere in the force. The call talker will take details and pass a job to a controller, who may or may not be in the same office as them. We have two control rooms, so officers are typically being dispatched by an operator who could be sat 50 miles away in a completely different town.

When on the phone, we can't hang up unless it's a time wasting call. If someone needs help, you stay on the phone and try to help them. You can't hang up because you don't like what you hear, so if someone is getting hurt on the other end of the phone, or they are trapped in a fire situation, you have to stay on and try to help them. You can hear some horrible stuff, call takers have unfortunately listened to people die over the phone.

In relation to Grenfell though I don't know if they would have stayed on the phone. I don't know what their staffing levels were like so it could be that while usually they would stay on the phone and try to offer reassurance, they were unable to in that instance because of the sheer volume of calls coming in.

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AmIAWeed · 12/07/2018 13:28

My ex is a dealer and has been for over 13 years.
I have reported numerous times to crime stoppers but nothing has happened. He hasn't worked all that time, doesn't claim benefits.
My daughter has been in his house (no longer goes) and reported stinging nettles and lights, my son explained to her what it was. They both know he grows and deals but refuse to say anything to the police.

What the heck can I do to get him investigated without my children knowing it was me or involving them??

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/07/2018 14:47

Thanks for the reply, PC.

I'd say that some of our local kids are in missing weekly, sometimes a run of a few nights in a row. It's a game to them. Agree that having something productive to do with their time is the only answer. I feel for their parents, they are honestly trying their best but not getting far. It's a total waste of police time, though.

The other thing that happened locally was a group of paedophile hunters stopped a bloke at his work. They had posed as a 14 year old boy and this guy had arranged to meet "him". They confronted him on FB live and gave the evidence they had to the police. He was arrested. Is that a helpful thing for the police? Can you use the evidence they have gleaned in court?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/07/2018 14:48

AMI - can't you just report on 101 anonymously? Crimestoppers let you report anonymously.

Glad your kids aren't going there now. Good for you.

AmIAWeed · 12/07/2018 15:10

Viv I wasn't aware I could report via 101 anonymously I thought only crimestoppers was anonymous. I guess I want to know what evidence I'd need for someone to investigate without me getting the children to report their Dad

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