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I’m a consultant gynaecologist - AMA

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quince2figs · 11/07/2018 04:43

I have worked in a variety of settings - hospital obstetrics and gynaecology incl labour ward, PMS and menopause, currently community contraception and unplanned pregnancy services, NHS and non. Ask away!

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heartsease68 · 14/07/2018 18:08

Consultants have greater knowledge of their particular area than GPs

Your greater knowledge of, say, diabetes is irrelevant here though isn't it.

But yes, no point arguing.

quince2figs · 14/07/2018 23:32

Kalifornia - as well as general downgrading of women’s health in GP (see above) over the last 10-15 yrs, this has coincided with public scares about HRT, stemming from a couple of large trials which were inaccurately interpreted.
Most GPs simply stopped prescribing HRT (and to be fair most women were too scared to take it anyway), and the situation is only just beginning to turn round.

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quince2figs · 14/07/2018 23:38

MyGreyCat - I never have, apart from at a large placental abruption

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quince2figs · 14/07/2018 23:47

reeldoop - some great links are:

www.menopausematters.co.uk/

www.rcog.org.uk/en/patients/menopause/

www.womens-health-concern.org/ - this is the patient arm of the British Menopause Society

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lozengeoflove · 15/07/2018 00:09

Fantastic thread. Have you read This Is Going To Hurt? It was an eye opening read for me, and after having two children and currently being pregnant with third, I wish I could but every single NHS employee on the labour ward a holiday to Maldives.

Thank you for all the wonderful work you do Flowers

Ollivander84 · 15/07/2018 00:35

Tommy - if it helps I have a host of autoimmune things Grin including autoimmune neutropenia so I'm immunosuppressed. I'm on my second copper coil and will have my third next year, no issues at all apart from expelling the first one (mooncup, caught strings, had the next one cut mega short!)

reeldoop · 15/07/2018 03:07

Thankyou for the Menopause information, have bookmarked amd started reading through. Im scared shitless about it as i know it will be a nightmate and my GP will be a nightmare. Im happy to go private for HRT, are ther any clinics you recommend?

lastnightidreamtofpotatoes · 15/07/2018 06:00

Have you ever had to deliver a baby where the mum had undergone FGM? In one of my labours there was a lady of African descent in the next bed and during the induction they discovered she had undergone FGM and they weren't sure what to do. They brought the consultant who wasn't sure whether to cut her before delivery or do an automatic c/s. I overheard him saying he had never seen anything like that before.

SaltyLemons · 15/07/2018 06:06

I have recently had some bleeding at 13 weeks pregnant. I was told this is very common and the cause is sometimes unknown but it has scared me very much. is it very common? Thank you - very useful thread

Tumericandavocado2018 · 15/07/2018 07:36

What’s the percentage each month of conception if I’ve had an ectopic pregnacy and have had a tube removed? I’m 33 nearly 34. Been trying again for a year and nothing’s happened so far, do you know any reasons why it could be taking so long? I fell pregnant with the ectopic fairly quickly after 3 months of trying.

Also if I was ever lucky enough to get pregnant I would want to request a c section as all the woman in my life had awful VB’s and it’s really put me off. My sister had a traumatic Labour and subsequently tried to commit suicide and was sectioned. She also still urinates herself when she laughs - 18 years later! My mum had a traumatic breech birth which resulted in my sister being born blue. My friends baby died during VB. my other friend had an awful birth which resulted in an epistiotomy which subsequently got infected. She had to have an operation which then got infected again. Now she has urinary incontinence and hasn’t had sex with her husband almost two years after the birth. Would the midwife take me serioudly if I requested a c section? Do I have to give my reasons for requesting one?

Thank you and I’m sorry for all the questions 😊

DateLoaf · 15/07/2018 09:37

This is a great thread thank you. May I ask if i have a lost Mirena that needs retrieving and also have fibroids that the doctors noted who did my CS 5 years ago- which I suspect may have budged the Mirena out of place.. should I get the sexual health people to retrieve or should I be asking my GP for referral somewhere that would be able to tell me about my fibroids? Sorry if this is an ignorant question.

quince2figs · 15/07/2018 09:47

ShortSharp - there are established postgraduate training schemes for general O&G, with subspecialisms if wished into urogynaecology, gynaeoncology, fetal medicine and fertility (assisted conception), paediatric and adolescent gynaecology.
Lots of consultants are generalists, some just obs or gynae.
This is pretty unpopular at present, and the rate of people leaving mid-training is enormous - so no problems getting a place! Many reasons: hard job with historically consultant on-call from home when you are running labour ward as a trainee, usually with way less staff than you need. More and more consultants are doing resident on-call now, to cover 24h, which is much safer - but means as a consultant you may still be doing hard physical shifts in unsociable hours up to retirement age - mine is 69y. You could be literally doing emergency caesareans for the whole shift, whilst trying to manage the rest of labour ward (ventouse/forceps/fetal distress/haemorrhages), admissions and all inpatients- not to mention gynae admissions (ectopic, miscarriages, pain) and inpatients, some of whole have had complex cancer surgery. Obviously, there are stillbirths and neonatal deaths, which are so distressing for everyone - staff get very little support, especially if you are involved in that case - all very defensive, still a blame culture, and stiff upper lip. High rate of being sued and complaints, obvs rightly so if you have done wrong - but many attempts when there is no error, which are still very stressful. Private practice if you want to do it carries enormous indemnity premiums (due to risk and sueing), to the point where it’s not financially viable for many.

There is also postgrad training in sexual and reproductive health, which is a hybrid of gynaecology, contraception, sexual health, menopause, termination, psychosexual medicine etc. This is what I moved into late in my career, and is very popular, with few training places - if these were increased, and commissioning improved, then community-based consultants could take on a huge amount of the workload that GPs may not have specialist knowledge for, but don’t require surgery or hospital.

I would still recommend O&G as a job, but feel a lot has to change in the NHS to retain staff. It is fascinating, and enjoyable on many levels.

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quince2figs · 15/07/2018 10:00

Irh3891 - I have seen a couple of women with painful orgasms, on a background of endometriosis in one, and a large ovarian cyst in another. If your periods are painful, may be the former.
Seems to be that something at delivery has triggered this, so possibly due to pelvic floor change - I must admit, I am also stumped!

I would suggest an ultrasound scan and an examination to see if anything painful, and see if physio improves it. If just painful during penetrative sex, more likely to be positional or anatomical. If painful orgasms with non-penetration or masturbation, more likely to be functional (pelvic congestion?). Sorry can’t be more helpful.

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OhTheRoses · 15/07/2018 10:05

Good morning Quince.

FabulouslyGlamorousFerret · 15/07/2018 10:07

To the posters that have posted about Lichen Schlerosus, there are some fab Facebook support groups that will answer many of your questions 👍🏻

quince2figs · 15/07/2018 11:15

MintyChoc and CantChoose, thanks for taking the time to post. I really do sympathise that as GPs now you have a huge pressure not to refer, in the bizarre world that is the NHS. Also of the enormous pressures on primary care generally (staffing, access to timely appointments). You both sound like great GPs, but I’m sure you know that standards of individuals and practices vary yes, just as they do in any other branch of medicine!
I work in a pretty deprived area. Most of the women I see in the community do not easily access the knowledge of different conditions to ask their GP about, and are not empowered or in a financial position to access repeated appointments.
I am NOT suggesting that GPs refer all gynae conditions; that would be clearly be a waste of everyone’s time and money. I am simply suggesting that GPs ensure they, and their staff are appropriately trained to manage basic contraception, smears, menopause and gynae issues, for which there are robust national guidelines and training if this has not already been accessed.

I see many women that are told by their single-handed, male GP who doesn’t have a practice nurse at the moment “we don’t do women’s health here” (even though in their contract they are paid to do so). In the case of smears, there is nowhere else for women to go. Many areas have no menopause, psychosexual or vulval specialist, and contraception clinics vary widely in ease of access. I see women every day who have had effective contraception or HRT withheld by their GP (or worse, given something they are not medically suitable to have), and may have an unplanned pregnancy as a result. I see women belittled as they are told that flooding through clothes, taking time off work for pain, sex being painful, having debilitating hot flushes, and being incontinent after childbirth is normal. And that is just not good enough, ffs.

If this GP (or A&E Doctor) trained at undergraduate level outside the UK, he may NEVER have done a speculum examination. I have worked with many such doctors who do not do O&G as part of their UK training (this has not been compulsory for many years - not particularly recent), or manage to avoid speculums or do them badly during their O&G attachment. It’s difficult to address this unless that doctor admits he can’t do it, but I used to recognise and provide ad hoc training where I could.

The same clinicians also, if they do refer women to hospital, may not have done any investigations or tried simple treatments. A one sentence letter “please see this woman for her heavy periods” is just no use, and yes, is likely to result in the woman being referred back to her GP to follow, for example, NICE guidelines on HMB - which could have been started 6 months or more ago when she was referred, or instead of. She may no longer need to see a consultant, as in many cases COC or Mirena will have helped sufficiently to be discharged.

THESE are the clinicians that need to change, not those like yourselves (and many excellent ones I work with) who are doing their level best, and clinically appropriate, in a failing NHS.
Ideally, access to GP appointments would be better and community-based SRH would be extended, which improve care so much, and save a lot of money.

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heartsease68 · 15/07/2018 12:07

quince2figs
Can I ask if you have come across women suffering from long-term disability as a result of pelvic girdle pain and if you are aware of special difficulties in fitting mirena coils/carrying out laparoscopy procedures for these women? In my experience, women who are disabled in this way (if they're lucky enough to get a referral) sent to orthopaedic surgeons who lack knowledge of women's health issues, or gynaecologists who know nothing beyond 'this should have gone away after you gave birth'. There is no pocket of knowledge because it is relatively rare - but that doesn't help women in this position who need a laparoscopy but can't have their feet in stirrups etc. Have you encountered this?

quince2figs · 15/07/2018 12:13

user149 - thank you, those links are helpful as I know very little about this area. It’s common that patients who have a rare condition can know an awful lot more than a clinician (at least on the theory and options aspects). Always enjoy learning from patients.

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quince2figs · 15/07/2018 12:16

Iwoke - there are lots of treatment options for your awful periods, whether they are due to endo/adenomyosis or another condition.
The majority of women have no defined cause for their symptoms, and this is known as DUB - dysfunctional uterine bleeding.

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Dontfartbackinanger · 15/07/2018 12:20

Thanks for doing this thread.

I’m 18 weeks pregnant with dc2. With dc2 I had an episiotomy and still tore (second degree) with a ventouse delivery.

When I have sex it hurts where the tear was. I finally mentioned to my gp the other day. She said they wouldn’t do anything now as I’m pregnant and I should wait till after the second birth to see if it still hurts. Is this the right advice?

I feel anxious about the upcoming birth.

quince2figs · 15/07/2018 12:26

GayP - a Mirena is a great first-line option for treating heavy painful periods. It is likely to stop them or make them much lighter within a year, and can be kept in for 5 years sometimes longer depending on age and other uses).
However, your pattern of bleeding has changed from just regular periods that are heavier - as your bleeding is prolonged with spotting, then your GP should arrange investigations to rule out any other cause of bleeding - it is almost always the perimenopause that does this alone, so don’t worry unduly.
This would be an ultrasound scan (fibroids, ovarian cysts) and hysteroscopy (polyps, thickened or abnormal uterine lining). Same if anyone has bleeding after intercourse or new irregular bleeding. A Mirena could be fitted at the same time as the hysteroscopy.
Mirena extremely unlikely to cause progestogenic side effects as it is a usually well-tolerated hormone (levonorgestrel), it is an extremely low-dose, and what hormone there is mostly remains within the uterus to work directly. Some hormone does circulate round the body. I have only been asked to remove around 5 IUS for hormonal side effects in nearly 20 years (and I fit lots!).

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quince2figs · 15/07/2018 12:37

Notquite - HG is really poorly understood, isn’t it? there is also a lack of understanding of just how ill it can make you (although baby will be fine if an ongoing pregnancy), or that women are “making a fuss”.

Not to be confused with sickness in most pregnancies, which is annoying and miserable, but not the same as HG.
I see women seeking termination as they just can’t face going through true HG again.
I guess it’s an area difficult to research as it’s uncommon, and much more difficult to get trials approved on pregnant women. Most anti-sickness medication does very little, so it is just supportive care in the main. Perhaps as the Duchess of Cambridge is now the RCOG’s patron, and is known to have suffered this with all of her pregnancies, she can push things forward?!!!

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quince2figs · 15/07/2018 12:41

MrsP - some women always have irregular periods, and that is not a problem in itself. If they are infrequent and irregular, then it may take a little longer to conceive. The main thing is it’s a nuisance not knowing when your period is due (and makes emergency contraception a bit of a challenge).
You could use COC to regulate them if that makes you feel better and is less of a nuisance, but otherwise does nothing to change your underlying pattern.

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imwideawake · 15/07/2018 12:43

Hi quince,
I noticed you said you are currently pro HRT.
Why do you think so many GP's are anti-HRT.
Is it cost?
The fact they're ill-informed, or what?

Do you think that if a woman is in good health and there is a low risk of Breast Cancer in the family that she should be able to stay on it for the rest of her life?

I know so many women who's menopause symptoms never go away, so surely it makes sense to stay on HRT.

imwideawake · 15/07/2018 12:47

and the million dollar question:

In your opinion, which HRT is best? (that an NHS GP would be willing to prescribe)

Pills , patches or gels/creams?
Which make/brand?

Thanks!